But his +/- numbers are misable this year. This team is not built around Yao. He's more like a role player now. We can get better offer for Yao than a merely role player.
Huh. Are you listening to yourself? You say numbers don't mean anything, yet you compare Yao and Amare's numbers. Then you say that we shouldn't compare KG's first three-year stats with Yao's first three years because they are different style of players.... which can be said about Amare and Yao. I am sure this contradiction has already been posted... but I didn't want to wade through it all. Stuart
Could you please tell me what are the other #1 draft picks? Kwame Brown, or Olowokandi? In the past ten years, I think Yao is at least Top 3 among all the #1 draft picks? So why are you complaining about?
Iv allrady ignored that poster... Every1 else is having an educated convo in this thread now so its worth a read
that's all good and well, shawn. but the guys who draw doubleteams and free up their teammates also score like crazy. yao doesn't. they put up numbers like crazy. yao doesn't. he's 18/8...that's what he is.
I agree. Sura and TMac don't fit with Yao. TMac is a streaky shooter who is not good at the catch and shoot. Sura's career stats speak for themselves. JJ actually fit well with Yao when he was hitting his 3 pointers. Wesley needs to be able to hit the 3 pointers to fit in with Yao. The same goes for Barry. I can count on one hand the number of 3 pointers both Barry and Wesley have made for the Rockets so far. These guys are brickers for some reason. Why is Barry (aka white shooter) such a bad shooter all of a sudden? Is he looking over his shoulder at JVG?
First of all i wana say its nice to have an educated convo. in the BBS, finaly!! & yes snow Yao has become more of a role player this year and takin a back seat to T-Mac which is a good thing, IMO because T-Mac is just amazing. If we do trade Yao id hate to see him become a 20/10 game guy night in and night out because it can and will happien..
Dikembe is far better than Yao at roleplayer attributes like rebounding and shot blocking. Yao is probably better at man to man defense, but there aren't too many centers Yao has to play man to man defense against. Yao is purely a roleplayer now. There are two factors which heavily against Yao now as being a go-to player. 1. He doesn't want the ball as much as a go-to player should. 2. His hook shot percentage is horrid. It's Cato-like. Even Dikembe has got a better hook shot percentage than Yao, and this is the same Dikembe that Yao killed with hook shots and fadeaways last season.
Rudy was fired for not utilizing Yao enough. The same reason Van Gundy will be fired eventually. Steve and Cat would have been traded even if Mcgrady didn’t demand a trade from Orladno. Why? Because Steve and Cat didn’t fit with Yao. And why did Mcgrady demand to go to Houston? Because he was expecting to play next to a dominant big man. He hasn’t received what he expected. Every player that has joined this team has done every thing they could to accommodate Yao. They’ve accepted being the 2nd or 3rd option on the floor. They’ve accepted being relegated to being nothing more than spot up shooters even if they’re not comfortable in that role. They’ve accepted a slow half court offense to accommodate Yao’s lack of speed and stamina. Everybody has bent over backwards for Yao.
Player G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS Tracy McGrady 30 30 1,241 250-606 53-163 167-220 31 157 188 166 43 26 74 71 720 Yao Ming 31 31 963 203-391 0-0 167-216 82 185 267 26 16 52 97 110 573 Amare Stoudemire 32 32 1,158 309-523 0-5 227-318 82 193 275 48 27 54 83 109 845 Shawn Marion 32 32 1,261 246-515 48-133 86-105 98 254 352 74 64 56 41 81 626 As you can see, the FGA of yao is merely a 391, comparing to T-Mac's 606, Amare's 523 and Marion's 515. This is the real problem. If Yao can get 606 of FGA, he would get about 30 PPG now.
i think yao was sold as a bit more than olowakandi or kwame brown. by the way..those were mistakes. clearly. i'm not gonna pat yao on the back and say, "hey..at least you're better than olowokandi" when it comes time to hand out max contracts. 2004 Dwight Howard 2003 Lebron James 2002 Yao Ming 2001 Kwame Brown 2000 Kenyon Martin 1999 Elton Brand 1998 Michael Olowakandi 1997 Tim Duncan 1996 Allen Iverson 1995 Joe Smith 1994 Glenn Robinson 1993 Chris Webber 1992 Shaquille O'Neal 1991 Larry Johnson 1990 Derrick Coleman Even if I were to go through and year by year compare, that's really not my point. The point is the value that we could get...could have obtained by trading Yao and or the pick we got to take him.
My point is that if only used as a role player, then Yao's not worth keeping because we could get stars for him.
You are coming over to the dark side. Lamar Odom + Caron Butler + Chris Mihm + 1st rounder + max $3mil for Yao and Mo and a throw-in
i appreciate that. i have no personal animosity towards yao or towards people who love him. i root for him like crazy. to me it's like business. what's greater...value of yao on the court for you? or value of what you can get for yao??
I hope you realize this is Tmac's running team. The new players were brought in to complement Tmac first and Yao second.
had we done that then, it would have been odom and the clippers first pick for yao. we would have had, potentially, odom, stoudamire, francis and mobley playing together. i don't like to look back like that, because hindsight is always 20/20. but that's what we gave up for yao. not sure we got the better of that no-trade.
I've been critical of Yao, but let's not just put in falsehoods here. He's being doubled all the time. However, the doubles come in the form of cheating defenders who will not do a hard double until he puts the ball on the ground.
oh please shut up with the JVG thing. Now you're gonna blame Barry's shooting on him somehow? Tired of everyone trying to bring it in any way they can. Wesley and Barry are good shooters. They'll be fine. JJ fit fine with Yao. Not incredibly, but fine. Why doesn't Sura fit? Are you saying you want 4 Dale Ellis's on your team + Yao? That would win a championship. You need more than just shooters.
that's because tmac is the superstar here. that's it. he's a scoring champ and asserts himself in the offense. if i were building this team, i'd be putting pieces around him, first and foremost.
