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Is TMac This Good?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaneB, Mar 24, 2007.

  1. Outlier

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    Yea, you don't know me but you imply that I don't play basketball or I'm not good at it?

    Whether or not you implied it or not, this is the same way those YOF's get mad at you. Those backhanded comments like "They are BOTH important but Tracy is MORE important" is what you always give. And you always wonder...
     
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    Lol you Implied i take great offence to anyone mentioning that yao is our best player, yet i have said Yao is our best aand best player. that refutes every single nonsense accusation against me. i dont like people who bash tracy to glorify yao or vice versa. understand?
     
  3. doublehh03

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    he is. i look at the record. 21-10 to 2-7. when i say tracy is more important, it means that if we don't have him, this team won't make the playoffs. i say importance is in that sense b/c tracy does so many things for this team that no one else on this team can replace.

    but w/o yao, we can still make the playoffs but be bounced out of that first round. at least w/o yao, we can still have deke dominate defensively and on the boards and howard contributing in the post. that's why losing yao won't hurt as much as losing tmac. so in that sense tmac is more important in terms of what you lack when tmac is out. u can't replace any aspect of tmac's game. but u can replace defense and rebounding if yao's out. i don't know if would take offense to that.

    that's more of a credit to deke/howard stepping up than yao missing. but b/c of that, tmac's the LAST player we can afford to lose.

    but UNLIKE THE YAO FANS, i don't diss yao like they do w/ tmac. they actually TAKE SHOTS at tmac. as a fan, i need to defend my guy.

    at least i recognize yao's greatness and his superb work ethic has blasted him into the stratosphere of superstardom.

    do i say yao's foul trouble and habit of fatigue bad? do i complain yao's slowness hurts us sometimes? no. every player has a weakness and u accept it. what i embrace is yao's greatness - fg%, efficiency, work ethic, passion for the game, humbleness, intimidating shots...

    i don't think most YOH fans do that w/ tmac.
     
  4. Outlier

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    The only person I saw here that took a shot at T-Mac was pryuen. And the guy is a "person fan" not a "player fan", meaning he's a fan of Yao the person and not really the game of basketball. (Correct me if I'm wrong pryuen) So of course he wouldn't understand that the game isn't all about a player missing shots and blaming him for it. I don't think pryuen understands everything basketball yet, but he is learning, and deep down I truly think he thinks T-Mac is a good player along with Yao. He only takes shots at T-Mac because he doesn't want to see his favorite player fail and it frustrates him. The other people that take shots at T-Mac are probably people with a language barrier and the same thing applies to them since they can't really express the frustrations and concepts of basketball, they have to blame someone.
     
  5. Outlier

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    Like how Rocket fans blame Rafer Alston, JVG, etc. There must be a scapegoat for everything.

    (Sorry I just wanted to add that in and can't edit)
     
  6. v3.0

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    So I guess if Yao or Tracy never got injured, we'd have a perfect record? There are reasons why we lose, even when we are injury free. Some reasons are plausible, some are stupid, but all the players and JVG are accountable to the teams performance.
     
  7. doublehh03

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    wow at your excuses for protectng yao fans. they probably know more english than you and me. and i'm sure they have been following yao since he's been in the NBA and therefore it's been 5 years. if they follow yao, they follow the rockets. and if u follow the rockets, esp. w/ JVG, u should know alot about basketball. i don't blame them if they don't know the history of the game, but they know the basics.

    they're blaming tmac b/c they want to pump yao up. it's as simple as that. i don't know how u can criticize tmac fans and yet make excuses for yao fans. and i don't know how u can say tmac fans have the audacity to always respond to tmac's criticisms and yet you disregard yao fans doing the same.
     
  8. TheBornLoser

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    I answered yes in the poll. I think if T-Mac is sufficiently pissed off, and if he played an offensive system like the triangle (in which Kobe is playing right now, and which gives him maximum opportunities to score the points he does...) and if did not have Yao in the game, but had Deke instead, then he would be able to go off for 50 in 4 games. Against teams with POOR defense. T-Mac went off for 44 against the Jazz and Mavericks... these aren't teams with POOR defense. I wonder if Kobe can go off for 50 against these kind of teams in normal game time...
     
  9. doublehh03

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    u have to blame rafer sometimes. when he plays well, i don't blame him. but to me, him playing well is not just making shots. obviously he has to b/c THEY'RE WIDE OPEN. don't u get pissed if u give a guy 10-12 shots every night and they're wide open for a long time and still miss? if he keeps missing, it'll just make it harder on tmac and yao to do their thing.

    beyond that, sometimes he always takes early shots despite him not being a "shot-maker".

    but i do recognize his greatness. low turnover. ability to handle the ball under pressure. still remain confident to take those shots despite always wide open and miss.

    rafer's not the PG for this team, but we can't do anything about it since head is unable to learn the position.

    also u have to blame JVG. it's his inability to adjust to avery or d'antoni's adjustments in big games. and how his inflexibility and stubborness has failed to integrate bonzi (yes bonzi's at fault but u HAVE TO bring that type of talent along no way no how).

    tmac is at fault at times too (esp. v. the 2 horrible phoenix games for instance how he kept jacking shots despite missing badly and not do anything else - his 2 worst games of the season for sure).

    unlike other fans, i agree it's fine to criticize. just don't diss their character (tmac's lazy, rafer's stupid...)
     
  10. doublehh03

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    people don't know how good the triangle offense is. u rarely see kobe go 1-on-1 on top of the key like tmac does. he is always "finishing" ala take 1-2 dribbles and shoot as he sets up in the offense. tmac doesn't do that in this offense even when yao was out.
     
  11. TheBornLoser

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    Hm.... I thought players like MJ and Kobe flourished under the triangle. The triangle system is one heck of an offensive system if used against teams with WEAK defense, or if you have 2 or 3 mega scorers (MJ and Pippen, Kobe and Shaq) because there are so many scoring options available. Last but not least, the main proponent of the triangle offense (aka Phil Jackson) has won 9 championships with it.

    I do not know if T-Mac does not do a lot of finishing... I thought that was how he executes his jumpshot... take 2 or 3 dribbles, then shoot the ball. In any event, I still think that T-Mac:

    (i) in the right psychological frame of mind;
    (ii) without a 'co-scoring' option;
    (iii) in an offensive minded system; and
    (iv) playing against a team with poor defense

    will be able to score as much as Kobe.
     
  12. doublehh03

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    did u see the one yr kobe was w/o phil? though he scored 27pts, he really struggled that yr offensively. the triangle puts kobe in a position to finish by either put him in the wing or mid-wing.

    but u can't take anything from kobe. he's still a beastly beast.
     
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    also to dominate in the triangle, u need to have a mid-range game and a perimeter game. i dont think guys like wade or iverson would flourish in the triangle b/c they're not that good outside of 20 ft. they're guys that need the ball and create their own things. tmac would fit the triangle b/c he enjoys playing around the perimeter and close to it.
     
  14. Jd1

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    I don't think it's fair to ask "can T-Mac score this for 4 straight games" to judge T-MAC. Even MJ couldn't do it.
    And can Kobe score 50 for 4 straight games again? I don't know. Kobe did it once when his hands were extremely hot. you can't expect him to put that kinda number at any time.
     
  15. doublehh03

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    exactly, so is kobe > MJ now? again what did kobe do w/o phil for one yr and not the triangle?
     
  16. Outlier

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    Tell that to Iggy. :D
     
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    Really? Man I don't know where you get that from. I'm not making any excuses... I really don't see any YOF's criticizing T-mac (besides pryuen) only Rocket fans. Who are the YOF's anyway? Maybe it's my fault I don't see their posts but I *really* don't see their posts.
     
  18. doublehh03

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    kobe still got 0 assists v. golden state yet his team shoots 50% :eek:

    is that even possible?
     
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    Would you take Kobe over Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan?

    None of those guys managed to do what he did in terms of scoring 50 or more in four consecutive games.

    I just think some fans are a little too shallow sometimes...
     
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    jazz is not a good defensive team and kobe went off for 53 against the number 1 defense in the league(houston).
     

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