first kobe is taking at list double shots more then t-mac second kobe is playing alone at the time t-mac have 1 more superstar alongside him and few more good players so i dont think that kobe is better the tracy if we chainching postions between them so i'd believe that t-mac can score more then kobe.....
well ok i agree to an extent iwth people that say : put tmac in kobe's situation and let him shoot 44 shots a game and see what happens but you gotta step back and see what kobe is doing...he is not shooting as bad as tmac, even with that many more hsot attempts and there's no way tmac is going to agree with ppl saying "oh we have another superstar so i can make a lower percentage of my shots" agreed, he takes less shots cus yao's there...but its not like he is trying to miss that that high of a percentage of his shots i vote kobe in this poll
Oh, come on. You can't make anything of the Rockets beating the Lakers. McGrady/Yao > Kobe/Odom. That's completely different than McGrady > Kobe. I like McGrady more. I think he's a better human being. But Kobe's ability is just a bit better.
Look at it this way: Put Tmac on the Lakers this year and I think the Lakers definitely have a better record then they currently do. Put Kobe on the Rockets and I don't think our record and especially chemistry is as good as it is currently. Kobe would make the Rockets slightly worse with his ball hogging ways. Tmac would raise the level of play for Lamar, Kwame, Bynum, Smush and all the other Fakers.
I hope your joking, even if you are, is not even funny. If kobe is on rox, we are a contenter without a doubt. And most likely end up with 60 win or more. Kobe is godlike when it come to clutch.
would he defer to yao? they won w/ shaq b/c shaq was just beastly. if u saw, we were 22-10 w/o yao. and if u take yao out, is this team's talent is not as good as the lakers talent w/ kobe. odom and walton just can't reach their potential playing w/ kobe. how the hell do u get into a rhythm by taking 9 shots and kobe taking 44 shots? when kobe shot 2-13 in the 3rd quarter, HE STILL DIDN'T PASS. w/ tmac, sure he's not as good as an offensive player, but he would make the others better. as a result, tmac on the lakers would be the better team. again, stats don't make a team better. again, would u be happy if kobe went 2-13 yesterday and still shot? i think he would still do that w/ yao. ask shaq what happened in the finals of 04 v. detroit shaq shot 55%. kobe shot 38%. kobe always ended up shooting 20+ times over double teams. chemistry goes a long way brother.
I'd side somewhere between you and Rockets03. With Kobe instead of McGrady, The Rockets are a lesser team. Kobe didn't work with Shaq in the end, he wouldn't work with Yao. As for McGrady - the Lakers have a couple of other good players, but I think they need the spectacular scoring that Kobe can provide. There just aren't enough points on the board, otherwise. And they aren't constructed to win with D, like Houston. Both teams have the guy that suits them better.
the current kobe isn't the same as the old one. His goal is to win the champ & there isn't that "time bomb" behind his back like T-mac. Back in 04 I would pick T-mac without a doubt, but we are talking about the current T-mac VS. the current Kobe. And why would some of you think kobe won't work with yao? yao doesn't care about being the #1 option or whatsoever. But not gonna talk much about it since it would never happen as they are both truely dedicated to their own team.
How do you know Yao doesn't care? Yao says all the right things. He's polite. But if was really with another player who didnt' share the ball at this point in his career? My guess is he'd be upset. If courteous.
it goes beyond yao being fine w/ as a 2nd option. it's the ego of kobe. it's HUGE. kobe's ego would prollie make yao less aggressive and defer more to kobe. as a result, he wouldn't be the superstar he is today. remember, kobe did defer to shaq in games so that's why they won. but their egos conflict. so that goes beyond just game play. kobe's ego would just put yao's to death. as a result, yao wouldn't mature the way he has. mac's ego is the same as yao's ego. so yao feels comfortable that when he misses shots, he can come back and shoot. if yao turns the ball over like yesterday w/ brown's block and strip of him, u think kobe would go to him ever again in that game? u think kobe's ego would say, "can i trust yao?" have u seen kobe's reaction whenever his teammates just make a normal turnover? again, it's the chemistry, the egos, their co-existence. believe it or not, yao's ego is not large. that's why he fits w/ tmac. both are "laid-back" nice humble guys. they don't care who gets the limelight. that's why they can work w/ each other. that's why tmac can have 7-24 shooting nights and still shoot and not have anyone complain. that's why yao can have bad shooting nights and mac still encourages him. but w/ shaq and kobe, whenever kobe shoots alot, shaq starts complaining. so again, its ego, chemistry... just ask urself, do u think kobe would trust yao if yao got blocked and stripped like that by brown? i don't think so.
exactly, if u follow the lakers, have u ever seen anyone back kobe up in any situation? have u see his teammates cheer for him on teh bench? but to be more sure, ask urself when u play ball and u never get touches. u THINK he's a ballhog, but do u come out and say it? again, had yao played w/ kobe instead of tmac in 04-05, would yao develop to the superstar he is today?
honestly i only care about winning. i could careless if yao or t-mac only take 1 shot per game, if it get us the win, I'll take it.
How about this QFT statement You hear ’em talking about Kobe’s the best player, you hear ’em talking about LeBron’s the best player, you know, it really doesn’t matter. It all boils down to what D-Wade got this year, what Shaq got this year. So I don’t give a damn about who they say is the best player in the League." -T-MacYou hear ’em talking about Kobe’s the best player, you hear ’em talking about LeBron’s the best player, you know, it really doesn’t matter. It all boils down to what D-Wade got this year, what Shaq got this year. So I don’t give a damn about who they say is the best player in the League." -T-Mac
You know ... What both haven and doublehh03 have brought to the discussion is very interesting. If given a choice ... Knowing what Yao knows today ... what he has witnessed & heard around the league on Kobe versus what he has experienced with Tracy ... who would Yao prefer ... Kobe or McGrady? I think he would prefer the superstar that is the better playmaker and the friend that Tracy is. Maybe it's the wrong perception, but I just don't see Kobe forging a similar relationship on & off the court with Yao like McGrady has.
again, it's not just a relationship. i'm sure kobe's a nice guy off the court. but i'm talking about the ego. yao is not an imposing guy in the locker room. he's not shaq. so if kobe was to pair w/ yao, it's CLEARLY kobe's way all the time. kobe didn't get that w/ shaq b/c shaq had just as big of an ego as kobe. and again, if yao makes mistakes during a game (ala turnovers and shots blocked), would he have to always look over his shoulder to kobe? i think he would. he doesn't have to do that w/ tmac. i just don't think yao would become the superstar he is today had he played w/ kobe. off the court, i'm sure kobe and yao can get a long. it's on the court where yao would ALWAYS defer to kobe and ALWAYS doubt himself if he makes mistakes b/c of kobe's personality. again, put odom w/ tmac, odom would be an all-star. i'm serious. tmac would relinquish most of the playmaking role to odom (which i don't know why kobe doesn't do) and focus on finishing, drawing the doubles and returning the favor to odom. plus, tmac doesn't need the ball all the time, which favors odom who needs the ball. kobe hogs the ball just about every possession.
Does anyone have Tmac's stats when he was with the Magic? Those were his best years where he led the league in scoring twice. He probably took as many shots as Kobe has been doing now, but I'm not sure if he had any sequence of games where he had scores close to 50/game. Personally I think TMac is as talented as Kobe, if not more, but not as good a player at his peak.
Actually he took less shots. Kobe took more shots than Tmac did even in those years. He was just that good in ORL, but too bad they wasted his talent with nothing. If he had been in LA with Shaq they would've easily won 3 rings.
