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Is this the last we will see of Carlos Correa?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by what, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. Surfguy

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    Yea but why does it seem like he’s blown a million opportunities with RISP throughout the regular season and playoffs? Is it just we come to expect too much from him at the plate? Most of my memories are of him striking out with runners on this season. Did he have a better first half than second half? Is this not his worst offensive performance in the playoffs yet?

    Maybe I’ve just come to expect too much from him at the plate? I feel like he didn’t reach his offensive potential this season. Easily should have eclipsed 100 RBI this season imo.
     
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  2. Elienator

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    I think this is a combination of selective memory, recency bias, and the fact that the best major league hitters still fail 70% of the time.

    Correa is also more of a guess hitter than some of the other Astros. So when he fails it can look worse and he’s certainly not the best situational hitter on the team.
     
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  3. Major

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    It's likely because every player blows a majority of their opportunities with RISP. This is sort of the problem with a sport based on failure - it's much easier to remember the missed opportunities than the made ones. Here's the data:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/9573/situational

    Regular season, he was pretty similar with and without RISP, though he was better-than-normal with RISP/2 outs.
     
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  4. Major

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    What year do you think they should have traded Bagwell?

    Oswalt/Berkman and that crew were the big mistakes - they waited too long on those guys and got less than they could have as a result. Bagwell was still a star player until the end and a key piece of the 2004 run and his career ended in 2005 with the injury.
     
  5. Surfguy

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    What are we down to? 8 years - $80 million

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  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Yahoo? Dude, you should have been called up to AAA already:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=correca01&year=Career&t=b
     
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  7. Chilly_Pete

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    So today may actually be the last we see of Carlos Correa in an Astros uniform.
     
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  8. Elienator

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    Teams are going to look at his production over the entire season, not the playoffs when making decisions. Post season performance might matter on the margins, but isn’t a big factor in mega contracts.
     
  9. Yordan The Great

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    You're way under valuing post season performance as a significant factor for free agent contracts

    We see it all the time in all sports. A player has a crazy post season and next thing you know some foolish team over pays for that free agent.

    But in Correa's case, he's done well enough during the regular season during his career to warrant getting signed to a big contract.

    Now add in the fact he's turned into the best defensive shortstop in the game (lapped the field this year in defensive runs saved).

    His RBI per game average is the best in MLB history in the post season. His career WPA is 3rd all time at age 27.

    If we win the World Series, he'll command a number much crazier than we are even considering right now.

    The only caveat I'll throw in is the lingering effect of the scandal. But did that really hurt Springer?
     
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  10. Elienator

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    I'm just repeating what I've read/heard about from GMs and front office teams (including former Astros employees like Kevin Goldstein) say when they talk about how they value contracts with regards to post-season performance.

    I think Correa will get a big contract.
     
  11. rockbox

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    Unless the situation is a tight game with a runners in scoring position late in a post season game. He's pretty much the best in major league history in that category.
     
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  12. DVauthrin

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    3 for 5 with 2 RBI and a run last night after moving up to the three spot in the lineup in a must-win game. He also told Marwin Gonzalez to hunt Minter’s cutter right before Gonzalez gave the Astros’ the lead. What pitch did Marwin hit? The cutter. Finally, he made that ridiculous play on Swanson’s ball up the middle in the 2nd inning.

    Jim Crane: PAY. THE. MAN. Correa should have a statue built outside MMP next to Altuve’s when his career is finished. That won’t happen if you let him leave at age 27. He’s also a more valuable player than either Kyle Tucker or Yordan Alvarez if you are worried about paying them in four years because his defense is elite, too.
     
  13. Major

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    I think that's true for any one individual postseason - you wouldn't pay Eddie Rosario based on what he's doing this postseason. But Correa is developing a pretty large sample size, and when you combine it with how he handles the spotlight and interviews and such, it may not be just random coincidence. And it fits with all the pre-existing knowledge about him (elite player, #1 overall pick pedigree, etc) - so it seems less fluky than someone who exploded during one postseason might feel. In Correa's case, it might be more of a confirmation that he can live up to what people expect/hope from him.
     
  14. Da Man

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    Correa is a different cat. This is the same guy that proposed to his wife after game 7 of the World Series. No normal human is going to try and add more pressure to himself with a planned marriage proposal after the biggest game of his life. Both a game 7 World Series or a marriage proposal as stand alone events are already pretty overwhelming for most people. It is not a coincidence that he has 2 walk off home runs and a walk off double in his postseason resume. Not to mention his 59 postseason RBI's that ranks 6 all time. I hope it is not the end of the road this week. This run has been magical as an Astros fan.
     
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    I'm not sure the timing was ever right to trade Bagwell.

    My point is I'm more about the team being able to sustain winning over a long period of time rather than holding onto players until their value is at its lowest or the players staying with one team their entire career. Olajuwon was really the only guy I hated to see get traded at the end of his career. But it was the right thing to do.
     
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    If he gets 4 more, he would be tied for 3rd all time with who bunch less plate appearances. The guy does not get performance anxiety.

    1. Bernie Williams 80 545 PA
    2. Manny Ramirez 78 493 PA
    3. David Justice 63 471 PA
    4. Derek Jeter 61 734 PA
    David Ortiz 61 369 PA
    6. Carlos Correa 59 330 PA
     
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  17. Elienator

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    Correa’s post season numbers are very similar to his regular season numbers which is what you’d expect as sample sizes get larger.
     
  18. Tuckankhamun

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    That’s still impressive, considering that postseason pitching is much harder to hit on average.
     
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    What is an .850 OPS short stop who misses 50+ games a year worth?
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Are you taking about Correa, because he didn't miss anywhere close to 50 games this year and played in all but 2 of the games last season.
     
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