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Is this the last we will see of Carlos Correa?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by what, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. Nick

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    Ironically another lower leg injury that forced him to leave the game last night. Biggest fear of Yordan playing the field is the fluke things that happen on out there when trying to field any sort of fly ball.

    In other news, Seattle fans did have piece of mind to "boo him relentlessly" (to which Toronto fans took immediate offense to).
     
  2. Amshirvani

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    If nothing else, the whole cheating scandal is at least exposing baseball fans to be some
    Of the dumbest
     
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    25m a year 5-7 years take it or leave it.
     
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  4. MoMobley

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    I won't be cheering him after he signs with the Yankees or another enemy team. If the guy didn't miss half the season after a massage, then maybe so. What's going to happen if we pay 30-35m a year is that he will immediately start missing half the seasons again. 35m/half season = 70m/full season. Every f'ing year. Plus after a few years we would have to move his crippled butt to dh. No thanks. I don't like him saying we need to prove our loyalty to his oft injured butt. Where is the player loyalty?
    How can we be competitive paying a handful of guys 90% of the payroll. If one guy goes down we might not even make the playoffs.
    Correa is not loyal by holding the team hostage. I don't even want him for 25m a year, but would for his Astro fans. That's it. I don't care what other teams are stupid enough to offer.
     
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    The market is weird. These contracts are based on maximum productivity every year and that almost NEVER happens.

    If Carlos wants 30M/yr, then give him a two year contract. If he wants 25M/yr., give him a 4 year contract. If he wants more than that, it has to be full of buyouts and incentives. I actually prefer incentives, but I know they are limited by the Master Agreement which will be negotiated this off-season. Anybody want to bet that the Yankees manage to sign players and coincidentally fall just short of penalties?
     
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    Tell ‘los we’ll give his little bro the Robel Garcia roster spot
     
  7. vince

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    If Correa was consistently donning a .900 + OPS, I'd say, perhaps he is the mega star he wants to be. However, Correa is more in the range of a .830 to .860 OPS guy (a legit all-star); most definitely not to be confused with MVP stats. Though an all star, Correa may be reaching his peak years with his production. He's a great player, and well worth accolades for his talent, but he does not resemble a phenom MVP heavyweight candidate.

    I'd think most of us would celebrate if Correa and the Astros came to terms. After all, Correa was the face of hope of the new era. Of course now we know that Altuve, Keutchel, Springer, etc. were locked and loaded to bring about the renaissance of Astros baseball with 2015 being the teaser before the World Series Appearances. But in 2012, many of us thought Correa would be the quintessential face for the the resurgence; little did we know how the pieces were coming together, and that Correa would only be an important cast-member (much like the show Friends - where synergy happened because of the respect the players showed for each other).

    But Correa was instrumental in the place the Astros are headed as an organization. I'm sure someone will offer Correa a more enticing contract than the Astros can fit in their books, perhaps Correa Chooses the Astros because of what is being built is special. There is only so much money needed to live a comfortable life, the rest is gravy that although good, it isn't the reason you strive for. Who ever heard of going to a restaurant for the gravy they serve? But food snobs end up turning every rock at the end to placate to their extravagant palates.

    5 year 150 million... Would that inhibit the Astros paying Tucker, Alvarez, Bregman, Valdez, etc.... Clicks got his work cut out for himself.... Because Correa may be more in search of a 8-10 year deal 250 million dollar deal. More importantly would Correa even take such a contract?

    I think Correa took the prove it mentality into getting the contract he wanted in the offseason; but I'm not sure he's proving he's an sure fire MVP, but rather a solid all-star type.


    But there is still an aura that Correa will become a perennial MVP type player, and I think that his agent will still pitch that to all MLB teams willing to listen, and have that team write a check to buy that opportunity.
     
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  8. SamCassell

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    All the "how much money does a person need to play sports?" arguments come across as naive, to me. Carlos Correa isn't going to turn down market value to sign for much less money, and he shouldn't. MLB's system forces drafted players to play for under-market contracts for much of their career, and when they make it to free agency, they should go get that bag while they can. Likewise, the Astros have plenty of money and plenty of space in their future budget to sign Correa without jeapordizing their ability to sign any of their current players.

    I think if the expectations were that he was going to be a solid corner infield bat at SS, then he's met that. If the expectations were that he'd be an MVP-level bat, he's got a ways to improve. May never get there. Still, I think that Correa has absolutely exceeded expectations in one area - he was pegged as a guy who might not be a good glove at SS, and might need to ultimately move to 3B. He's shown he's absolutely a gold glove caliber fielder at a premier defensive position. There's real value to that. His hitting may come and go, but that glove and arm are going to be really missed if he leaves.
     
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  9. RussE

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    Correa won't be with Houston next year. He wants more then the Astros are willing to pay. He isn't worth what he wants. Someone will pay it. It won't be Houston. I wouldn't pay what he wants.
     
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    And his clutchness in the playoffs. He's already top 10 all time in playoff RBIs. The guy has a knack for showing up in big minutes. He craves the attention and limelight
     
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  11. RussE

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    Correa post season career.... .270 average. .869 OPS.

    Correa 2021 stats.... .268 average. .829 OPS.

    Not much difference.
     
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    All-time postseason RBI leaders.

    Rank. Player
    1. Bernie Williams 80 545 PA
    2. Manny Ramirez 78 493 PA
    3. David Justice 63 471 PA
    4. Derek Jeter 61 734 PA
    David Ortiz 61 369 PA
    6. Albert Pujols 54 334 PA
    7. Carlos Correa 50 266 PA
    8. Reggie Jackson 48 318 PA
    9. Chipper Jones 47 417 PA
    10. Jorge Posada 42 492 PA
    Jim Edmonds 42 263 PA
    Shane Victorino 42 259 PA
    Carlos Beltran 42 256 PA
     
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    Count me in the camp that wants to keep him.
    Carlos is an outstanding fielder, good bat, clutch af, great leader and fan favorite.
    If he's not the best shortstop in Astros history he will be when it's all said and done.
     
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    The competition for that is not... strong... seasonal WAR for Astros starting shortstops in descending order:
    1. 1983 Thon (7.4)
    2. 2016 Correa (7.0)
    3. 2017 Correa (6.7)
    4. 1982 Thon (6.1)
    5. 2015 Correa (4.8)
    6. 2021 Correa (4.7)
    7. 1970 Menke (3.9)
    8. 2019 Correa (3.7)
    9. 2006 Everett (3.5)
    10. 2011 Barmes (3.4)
    For all position players, career WAR:
    1. Jeff Bagwell 79.9
    2. Craig Biggio 65.4
    3. Jose Cruz 51.4
    4. Cesar Cedeno 49.6
    5. Lance Berkman 48.1
    6. Jim Wynn 41.5
    7. Jose Altuve 40.3
    8. Carlos Correa 31.6
    9. Joe Morgan 30.6
    10. Bill Doran 30.5
    11. Terry Puhl 28.4
    12. George Springer 27.8
    13. Alex Bregman 25.6
    14. Bob Watson 23.6
    15. Glenn Davis 19.0​
     
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    Edmonds, Victorino and Beltran aren't that far behind...8 RBI's. Not saying he hasn't gotten big hits in the post season. He's a great defensive SS. Don't think he's worth what he's going to make. Astros have other FA SS options that may not cost near as much.
     
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    8 rbis is what separates him and Jeter who has twice as many plate appearances.
     
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    You obviously Have never had the breakfast gravy at Majorias Commerce Restaurant in NOLA
     
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    I hope we sign him

    But giving him $35 million per year without a doubt could affect the ability to sign Alvarez and Tucker down the road, along with the young starters. Depending on the new CBA, there is only so much to spread around
     
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    He better get it going again soon or no one will pay him what he wants. His OPS is now the lowest on the team of all of our regular starters. For a guy who has never made it through a full season healthy, his first full season he has hit a huge slump (under .180 his last 30 games)

    Im not saying he won’t get a big contract, but if his numbers keep going south he isn’t getting Lindor money with so many other options available.
     
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    That '83 season for Thon, though. Damn Torres.
     

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