Is this step back a travel?

No, in 1 1/2 steps terminology, the NBA is 2 1/2 steps. The 1/2 step refers to your final jump. So, in HS for all moves, and in the NBA for when you are set prior to the dribble, you get one step, then are allowed to lift your pivot foot, but can't bring it back down. Ppl call that 1 1/2 steps.

In the NBA, when you are dribbling or catching a pass "while progressing," you are allowed 2 steps...but the pivot being replanted as the 2nd foot can, again, come off the ground ... so you could call it 2 1/2.

 

The rule is "two steps" after gathering, correct?

 

The rules don't say this. It clearly says you are allowed 2 steps upon ending a dribble. Maybe you pulled that apparent quote from another part of the traveling rules. Maybe you pulled that from the text regarding Prior to Dribbling, where you only get one step ... see Kawhi shuffle travels.

 

I didn't know the NBA allowed a step more than other levels. But you are talking about steps prior to dribbling. I thought we were talking about steps AFTER the dribble.

 

Yes but we’re talking about Lebron’s “Crab” dribble. It’s a completely different move.

 

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for some to understand. In the NBA the gather step doesn't count, so you get effectively a 0 step plus 1-2. You can take those steps in any direction.

 

See your post #7. That's when we went down the rabbit hole. Whether it is your argument or not, you made it a point of debate, which I engaged.

Can you explain why you think the rule book is unclear on whether McCollum is carrying/palming or not? For like the 3rd time, can you explain. At this point, I'm not trying to prove you wrong or convince you, I just don't understand why anyone thinks this is confusing (per my first post here), and seek a reason why, like you do.

Is it merely your argument that you can say things contrary to league explanations, rulings on the court and L2Ms, and until ppl convince you otherwise, it remains correct. That's such weird debating. There's a word for that debating style.

 

Read my post again. I explained both prior to dribbling and after.

 

Look at that video again. LeBron's right hand doesn't touch the ball until his right foot is down. This is when he's "gathered", correct? Then, he takes two steps.

Subtract one from each number/step they counted.

It's strange we're on opposite ends because you think the OP is clearly legal.

 

When it comes to "crab dribbles" or any other kind of move intended to exploit the "0 step" on the gather, it all depends on timing. If you get it right, it's not a travel, if you get it wrong, it's a travel. The "0 step" can turn into your 1 step if your timing is even slightly off....which makes it REALLY hard to call correctly at game speed.

 

Correct but again we’re looking at two different moves. You can’t gather hop then take two steps

 

Think of it as a power dribble in the paint. Once you land with both feet the move is complete. You can’t power dribble, land with the right foot and take another step.

 

LOL. Then what did the OP do ?

Honestly, I remember LeBron's move being worse in his rookie season. What year was that ?

Define power dribble

 

He didn't "gather hop" he did a "gather step" and then took 2 steps. Sort of like a sideways Euro step. With a "gather hop" you land on both feet at the same time.

 

Here you go Heyp got it here: http://fromtheofficial.blogspot.com/2012/01/when-does-jump-stop-become-traveling.html?m=1

 

Slick moves by McCullom and LeBron.

Neither are travels according to the rules.

 

Lol Jesus, here watch this:

 

That's a link to High School rules. For all I know, HS still doesn't allow 2 steps, like it didn't when I was playing.

Interjecting HS rules into these discussion really needs a big disclaimer, as it leads to all the misunderstand causing these threads of confusion to pop up multiple times per year. We even have a ref from the Portland fan bbs (not an NBA ref) saying McCollum traveled , because he isn't allowed 2 steps.

That misinformation is causing these ongoing wrong threads. It's like the same effect Russia's use of Fake News on social media corrupts the truth while controlling the discussion, to try to gain such fan outrage the NBA changes policy. That's exactly what Kerr attempted, except he doesn't actually want a change in rules since Curry's step back would be affected, so maybe he's conspiring only to get Harden reffed differently than everyone else.