Has anyone ever championed a state run economy or a single party system on this board? So our leftest are really centrist if you look at what a real leftist position would be.
Any examples? Maybe it's between people whom I don't see in the same "camp"...? There are some posters you will NEVER see disagree with each other. I mean, you, for example...smart poster, I probably agree with most of what you post, but we can respectfully disagree on certain things or even just on details. With some posters, you would never see that.
glynch is a big fan of Chavez. By the way, I like glynch. Unlike some, I think he really honestly believes what he posts.
Hell, just this week I got into a spat with rhad. Things got especially heated between liberals here during the primaries.
You are a liberal? For some reason I thought rhad is more liberal and you are more conservative. So that doesn't count .
That sounds disillusioned. The conservative movement certainly has made a dip due to the Bush Admin's handling of the Iraq invasion and the erroneous reason given for invading (WMD's). But you've got your head in the sand if you don't see that beligerent representatives of the Liberal Left, Pelosi/Reid, aren't doing your cause wrong. Check scoreboard on latest elections. I'd be down with another B Clinton or Leiberman. But the Dem's parade the worst case scenarios out there and leave me with a pretty crappy view of their party. I honestly feel centered enough that I could be swayed regardless of party affiliation. Yet one poster previously stated if I wanted to raise my kids to be homophobic, war mongering, budget ingnorant people then follow the conservative path. If that's what conservatism means to him, then he's very ignorant and spewing a stereotype which fits his agenda. (thanks for the advice though) Major, you have been one of the posters who I will follow even though I have a feel for which side of the fence you lean. You always bring a good arguement and more times than not I agree with most of what you're saying. There's been a lot of flip flopping and maybe the beligerence of this board reflects todays political climate. But from what I'm seeing, if you ignore the Becks, Limbaughs, OReilly's, Pelosi's, Reids, etc... the left still finds a way to make themselves look bad, IMO of course. And to whoever brought dead babies into this I pose this question: How do YOU know definitively where life begins? I certainly do not. I also choose not to take sides on that particular issue simply because I'm big enough to admit I simply do not know.
I think stating that you are a conservative is an automatic cause for relentless attacks by liberals on this board. For that reason most of the sensible conservatives in the BBS simply stay away from D&D. Then you a few birthers and moveon types who real make a mess of the debate. So mostly the left enjoys de facto possession of the D&D. Plus real conservatives are too busy stealing from the poor to care about an internet forum.
Well, as you can see my post count is low for a reason...lol. Actually, there are a number of posters who are more liberal leaning that could debate me out of the water. And I really don't have the time to spend researching and documenting everything I say with links. Every now and then I'm inspired to give an opinion. I could care less what anyone on the board thinks of me, but I'm sure that goes for 100% of the board. That's the beauty of hiding behind a moniker. I'm glad to see the thread has raised the attention it has. It's confirmed what I originally thought and also confirmed that some of the posters' who I may politically disagree can seperate politics in their discussions and take the emotion out of their arguements when they are discussing politics.
Don't worry there are many intelligent, articulate, and coherent conservatives lurking the in shadows of the BBS who only come out once in a while to post on something they deem worthy of debate. But most of the mudslinging here goes on between the wing nuts from both sides of the aisle. For that reason I read the D&D more than I post but on occasions when I have let my conservative views be known, I've been viciously attacked by the usual gang of leftist operatives. Also the basso vs. glynch guerilla war has turned the D&D into a private blog for both who continue to post dozens of articles and links which are mostly talking points from each party's agenda.
In the last week or so, I've had arguments with a huge chunk of the leftist posters on the board. Just look at the Midterms thread, or the "Deal Reached on Unemployment...", or "Run a Progressive...", or "Obama to end Dont Ask...", or "I Don't Want Obama to be Bush", or "Ron Paul Responds...", or "2001 Argument..." And that's just the ones I was involved in myself, on just the first 2 pages of this forum.
That doesn't happen to: Refman weslinder juicystream Mr. Clutch justtxyank Lynus302 and many many others. They are regularly able to engage in actual conversations with people from the other side. Perhaps there is something unique about the ones that get stuck with the relentless attacks. Something that has nothing to do with them simply being conservative.
I have to agree. It's very rare that a conservative leaning poster is able to successfully articulate a position based on facts rather than weird conspiracy theories, hateful rhetoric disguised as concerned citizen opinion, chain emails, internet hoaxes, or Breibart style thuggery. Often repeated conservative myths that get a pass in large sectors of the political discourse get shredded here where people are prone to fact check statements. The conservative positions that are most successful politically seem to be the most deceitful and while they go great in sound bytes and slanted editorials, they don't stand up to thoughtful scrutiny. There are of course liberal positions that you could say the same about however there just seem to be a runaway train of intellectually dishonest conservative positions since Reagan.
The Republican have GOT to discriminate against someone. Homosexuals being the unfortunate ones at the moment. It all ties in to their religious fantasies... "Obey thy slave master"
Ok...don't take this personally because I'm not intending it to be. That post implies that the conservative is intellectually inferior to the liberal. Isn't that one of the main 'bullets' the republicans use? The Democrats view themselves as the intellectual elites while everyone who disagrees is a backwood bubba. You feed the fuel with that kind of rhetoric. I realize it's your own point of view and your are certainly entitled to it. But the democratic party as a whole would be better off distancing themselves from presenting themselves as the enlightened ones whereas the repubs can do themselves a favor by distancing themselves with the far right religious zealots.
And GCheeze's point is driven home. Is this the point that this thread is no longer a discussion but a name calling contest? Why bother?
The Clutchfans liberal mob: http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/ WARNING VERY GRAPHIC LIBERAL IMAGES!! NSFW NSFW!!! :grin:
Except it doesn't. It says that's what the conservatives who choose to post here choose to post. It is also the way the most popular conservatives in the GOP choose to act (Sarah Palin). It is a disdain of intellectual curiousity - Bush was the first of this line in recent history. Prior to that, Bush Sr., Gingrich, etc were the exact opposites. They espoused a conservative philosophy based on core intellectual ideas - the left might disagree with it, but it was a coherent line of logic. It could be and was debated and discussed and challenged. The conservatives that dominate the conversation today both here and in the larger political environment don't do that. How do you discuss or debate "Obama is an evil socialist!" or "Obama is un-American!" ? At this time, these are the top two political threads started by conservatives: "Intellectual" Obama donor diddles daughter [Who's the Boss?] Slick Willie trumps Limp Bizkit Within the latter is your typical lemming mentality of posts from bigtexxx, Commodore, etc. Do you really think there is any interest there in an actual discussion? Most of the threads on the first page aimed towards political discussions (Midterms, Tax Deal, etc) were started by people on the left - and they actually contain legitimate discussions with both people on the left and the intelligent right. So yes, you're right. The GOP does criticize the left for acting like intellectuals - and it's often quite effective. But the left doesn't care - they think that's how it should be. Appealing to stupidity isn't what the left wants to do or wants to be. They are going to distinguish themselves by continuing to present ideas and fighting for those ideas on the merits while the right doesn't.
Would you like me to dig up all the garbage nonsense put out by the likes of glynch and such? This how the D&D works these days, first, basso - a renowned instigator, puts out some random article calling out the libs, then, glynch - a delusional partisan hack, responds with more crap and the cycle goes on until someone actually says something to differentiate the conservative view from the nutjob opinion held by the majority of this board, and then all hell breaks lose. Lefties come out of the woodwork like a pack of hungry wolves. Meanwhile, basso pulls a houdini and moves on to the next inflammatory article. All the while, someone is left defending the lunatic position that the libs continue to insist placing upon conservative posters. Seen that happen too many times before to know that any basso or glynch thread is just flame bait. I once fell for that when I was new to the BBS.
