Economy seems okay with not a lot of violatility There is some leving off from some industries. Nothing major
I've done quite a bit of volunteer work in the 3rd ward. The only people I've met without current ID (they were expired) were elderly who no longer drove AND were living in some type of care home. If you are over 70, this ID is still valid for voting.
If it was about fraud, they could make it free and easy for any legitimate citizen to get the required ID. The goal is suppression, not validation of citizenship.
I hope you aren't proud of not having bothered to vote up until the last election, Robbie. Personally, I can't imagine not voting. I voted against Nixon, and voted against Reagan. I've been voting against Republicans for decades. Not because they are Republicans, but because I disagree with their policies. I'm glad that when you finally got around to it, you didn't have a problem registering to vote. You should try living in a county out in West Texas, being poor in the Valley, unable to afford to have a car, or an inner city Black American with the same problem. It can be a hell of a lot more difficult. Again, as others have said, what is the point of making it more difficult for Americans to vote? Why all the bizarre restrictions? There are almost no instances of voter fraud. So what's the point? It's pretty obvious what the point is to most informed Americans, in my opinion. It is an attempt by the GOP to suppress voter turnout. It is a more sophisticated form of poll tax, something the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional in 1964.
I don’t think I live in a bubble but maybe I do. I guess we all live in our own types of bubbles. I think I’m pretty far outside of the bubble in terms of my life without getting into every aspect of my life. I think the problem is that isn’t possible to get a proper idea of a person simply thru a message board. Only a small part of us comes thru especially in these debate and discussion threads and sometimes it’s the worst parts of us that come out when we clash with our versions of reality and how society should or could be. Further, it’s simply impossible to convey all of the context and meaning in text here. There is too much nuance to too many discussions. I think about the discussions I’ll have with some of my best friends about politics and we might be completely opposed to each other on one idea or one thing where we are trying to one up each other and win the argument. But in the end we are still great friends and we don’t let one thing define the entirety of us as people. I think about that thru the prism of D&D arguments and how our political views and discussions here get overamplified and turn a political view into a representation of that person as a whole. For example we have a group text titled “Haters Ball” where we spit out political bs or trolling or whatever. Me and someone in that group text might be going at it and then text each other one on one about a baseball game or whatever random non political event at the same time as we are talking **** in the other text thread. It’s like it’s compartmentalized political trolling lol. I just think it sucks how each side digs in and treats political discussions as if it’s their team winning or losing rather than constantly adjusting their positions based on new information. I might say stupid **** but I’m also always rethinking my positions. Anyhow, I’ve been learning about personality and psychology lately and I’ve found that I’m pretty solidly liberal by my personality and mindset. However, I simply don’t agree with a lot from the Democratic Party. It’s an interesting thought experiment to play around with the ideas of what make up conservative and liberal personalities and what aspects of those truly are represented by the Democrat and Republican parties. Also I’m curious how do you define poor folks? And fwiw I don’t trade that much anymore. I’ve pretty much been retired for a couple years. I just trade from time to time now.
That was the only type of person who I thought this type of voter ID law might hurt the most but that’s good to hear it’s still valid for voting. And thanks for the feedback
I don’t know what the reality is. Those studies seemed to be very mixed about if there was any voter suppression or if it was simply a talking point that gets regurgitated. That’s why I asked if you or anyone knew of anyone that can’t meet those requirements.
It's insanely cheap and easy to get an ID. Sorry kid, the legal challenge works because any financial burden placed between people and exercising their rights is easy pickings (remember that for the gun control debate) but in reality asking people to get an ID that costs a few dollars isn't a legitimate financial burden....but I get why you'd want to spin it that way.
Why do you think it is difficult to register to vote if you live in a major city? It’s pretty easy. Do you think these inner city American blacks don’t have IDs? Don’t you need some kind of ID to receive govt benefits? I’m pretty sure you need ID for all the major welfare programs. I know you need ID for food stamps. I don’t think anyone is saying that is suppressing people from getting on that program. And any Hispanics I’ve known from the Valley had IDs. How are you gonna go out or buy beer without an ID? Have you ever known someone from the Valley who couldn’t get on the bus or get a ride to get an ID? Just because they are poor doesn’t mean they are helpless and clueless. I don’t know anyone from rural West Texas so I can speak to that but yeah living in the middle of nowhere is a problem for a lot of things in life. And no I don’t take pride in not voting but it is what it is. In that last election I think I was pretty down the middle with Dems and Repubs that I voted for.
Yeah but that's the central theme you hear from our friends on the fringe left, they firmly believe that the poor and especially minorities are helpless and clueless and can't do essentially anything on their own. Their belief is that if the government doesn't do everything for them, then they would just roll over and die.
Nice reasoned reply. One example is: many folks do not have enough money to renew official ID's or Driver's Licenses. For instance, they have unpaid tickets and will be arrested if they go to the DPS to renew if they cannot pay the tickets.. Sometimes the tickets have escalated into hundreds of dollars. The GOP voter suppressor realize this, though many comfortable middle class folks do not. I don't think unpaid speeding tickets should effectively deprive folks of the right to vote. In terms of paying, think about earing minimum wage to $7.25 per hr to say $10 an hr and having kids or maybe having the child support people threatening to put you in jail and so forth. try googling "criminalizing poverty" and follow the links. Try reading Nickel and Dimed iirc by Barbara Ehrenreich or similar books on Amazon.
Seems to have massive energy for and against trump. The nation has never been like this before. Nearly every day is crazy. I’m not sure if the traditional polling and conventional prediction (it’s always come down to the economy for example) on midterm election can capture this massive energy. Going to be interesting to see what happen on Election Day.
they're based on a guy who watched lots of Hannity and then disappeared for a year. like an entire ****ing year. so it's pretty relevant man.
Why do you insist on using anecdotal data about people you know instead of actual real world data? http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...ith-public-citizen-says-600000-texas-registe/ Claim: 600,000 Texans don't have a valid ID that is acceptable for voting. Politifact rates it as mostly true - basically, true as of a few years ago, but no new data available. But again - the bigger question is why put up barriers to voting when there is no evidence they are needed and plenty of evidence that fewer people vote as a result. And plenty more evidence that these laws are motivated by one party trying to suppress voting.
I can appreciate it if you're genuinely interested in the facts but you have really put the cart before the horse in asking whether people have the proper identification. You've basically ceded the point that we need a system in which certain types of IDs are required to vote and that is where our disagreement will begin. There's no question that the voter ID pushes in state legislatures are politically motivated. Here is exhibit A. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...-sham-in-north-carolina.277260/#post-10681637
I don’t watch Hannity unless I want to see what the crazies are ranting about. <3 U 2 Never change Sam Fisher....never change.
