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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Nov 10, 2024.

  1. Space Ghost

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    I think at this point you'd want to short tesla and and stack all your money in GM. But given you're now an economic and market expert, you will already know this. Good luck with your millions!
     
  2. jo mama

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    are you just trolling at this point?

    you said this three posts above the one i am quoting...

    we have several trumper posters on here saying they want elon "burning the bureaucracy to the ground". are they far extremist anarchists? probably so.
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    I legitimately do not understand the confusion. Unless you legit believe there is not a single useless government job? I find useless people believe they are highly valuable and irreplaceable. They always like to say "this place wouldn't know what to do without me. They would never let me go". Are you one of these people?
     
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    im self-employed so although i have never said "this place wouldn't know what to do without me. They would never let me go" that statement would absolutely be true in my case.

    im just wondering how you can talk about "100,000's of useless government employees" and then in the next post say "I have never seen anyone say all government jobs are useless".

    the only logical explanation for this seeming flip-flop is that you are trolling or bi-polar.

    im sure there are plenty of "useless" government jobs, but i would never go as far as you did and claim that hundreds of thousands of government employees are "useless".
     
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  5. Space Ghost

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    Yeahhh thanks for making my point.

    Im legitimately trying to 'empathize' with your point of view.

    How is suggesting to 'remove 100,000 useless government jobs' contrary to 'not all government jobs are useless'.

    There are appx 3 million federal jobs. ~18 million state jobs. Lets focus on federal only. You're telling me that you dont believe 3.3% of an organization (in the millions!) can be useless? In government?
     
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    Because you have no idea whats useless and what isnt. You just take the word of Elon because you worship him.
     
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    I know a lot about government and I'm trying to come up with an example of a useless government job. Maybe the file clerks at ATF because Congress has never appropriated money for them to automate their systems? No, even though they work in ancient conditions, the work is still useful. More than the bare minimum needed to work any particular job, like air traffic controller or park ranger? No, you need some redundancy in case one of those folks goes down for a bit and you don't want to run them into the ground because fatigue is cumulative and leads to reduced decision making. So help me out here. What fed jobs are useless and are there tens of thousands of them?
     
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    How do we know your job isn't useless?

    What arbitrary metrics are you using to assume "3.3%".
     
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    what point was that?

    you said 100,000s (plural). so what is your number in terms of "useless" federal employees? which ones are useless? how do you know who is useless? the ones elon tells you are?

    perhaps...but you are painting with quite a broad brush here.
    and other trumpers/right-wingers in here say they want elon "burning the bureaucracy down". and MGT says government employees dont deserve a paycheck or a job.

    you talked about 100,000s of useless government employees and then claimed that you "have never seen anyone say all government jobs are useless". as i just pointed out, we have posters here and sitting members of congress saying to fire them all and that they dont deserve their jobs.

    i dont understand this hatred for federal employees that you right-wingers have developed all of a sudden and what is happening now is incredibly irresponsible and childish. no legitimate business would operate this way. not to mention the trumpian element of cruelty here where people are fired without cause, told they have 15 minutes to clean out their desk and are escorted out of the building.
     
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  11. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    There is tons of bloat and inefficiency in management, by which I mean the entire ‘leadership’ stack. Not only are there too many layers, nepotism is strong in the government space and you get inept management and too many layers of it. I’ve also seen retired executives get brought on as contractors at an insane hourly rate because their buddies who still work at X department control the budget and are decision makers.

    Of course, this isn’t going to change since per Project 25, leadership will all be replaced by political appointees, almost all of whom have no business leading their respective departments.
     
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    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Honestly that holds true in private companies as well. The idea that any organization runs at some mythical 100% capacity is some pipedream.

    There's no concept of just in time employment outside of gig work for delivery type functions. And even if we had an employment model built around that for every job, that would be a pretty dystopian world.
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    1960's Democrats was about love.

    We obviously know what they are about now
     
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    Elon literally said he's going after social security, he's going after people I care about and already has.

    They are going to cut 880 billion dollars from Medicaid.

    You dont care about people, you care about Elon. You'll just run away like you always do, I dont know why I bother.
     
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  15. Space Ghost

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    You're literally promoting hate. What kind of sad person promotes hate?
     
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  17. Xerobull

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    True, but government can't make a profit. It's crazy the stacks of management levels I've seen. I was just talking to a very good friend this morning who works at a state agency who was telling me how they added even more levels of management with the most recent university president change. It's ridiculous.

    I personally work at a very flat software deployment company and I'd love to have a level under me for my direct reports but we take care of our people and they are very self-sufficient, so it's not a huge lift. That's another issue with so much 'management' in government- the bottlenecks.
     
  18. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Is that a way to justify raises or are there actually that many levels of approval needed to do anything?

    I guess every government agency is different.
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Elon just wanted to stop all the investigations into his companies....so he helped Trump get elected so he could manipulate him.

    DD
     
  20. HP3

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    If you try to hurt people, particularly most people in the U.S who arent wealthy, Im not gonna like you. Its resistance against oppression and hate is part of that.

    Answer my question, why do you turn a blind eye, why? You really just dont give a **** about anyone but your 'hero' do you.
     

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