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Is Steve Earle a Traitor?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RocketMan Tex, Jul 24, 2002.

  1. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I simply worry about anyone who uses the word "pinko". Sounds like there's something just under the surface.

    Do you like going out of your way to disagree with me? Oh wait, that's your line.
     
  2. subtomic

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    Brett Easton Ellis wrote American Psycho. And I think he was accused of misogyny when the book came out. All the controversy overshadowed the fact that American Psycho is a tedious, disorganized mess of a book.

    I imagine that Earl's song is also mediocre and unworthy of the hoopla.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Generally I'm a Steve Earle fan. I might disagree with the sentiment behind this song, but I don't think it will affect my appreciation of Earle's work.

    Maybe this mess will lead to some good debate and stuff though.
     
  4. DAROckets

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    ...Yer either with us or yer with the terrirists :p
     
  5. BrianKagy

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    Hey, I'm simply backing up the fine piece of analytical thinking you did earlier. I agree with it and would like to see it extended to any number of pejorative political terms, including the three I mentioned.

    I mean, what could be better than undermining an accusation with an ad hominem attack-- especially one that completely turns the accusation around?

    If someone calls you a pinko, not only are you not one, they're a traitor. That is perfect!

    The next time someone tells me I'm a racist, I can turn that right around on them-- "No, I'm not-- but I find that the definition of a racist is someone who uses that term in a serious context".

    I think I know why it appeals to me so much. I'm by nature a nostalgic person, and your "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" approach to political terminology reminds me strongly of kindergarten.

    Fine, fine work.
     
  6. dimsie

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    Wow, Brian's solemn 'I'll be more mellow from now on' vow from a few months back sure didn't last too long. :D
     
  7. Jeff

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    Without Me (aka Brian's Song)

    <i>Now this looks like a job for me so everybody just follow me
    cuz we need a little controversy,
    cuz it feels so empty without me</i>

    :D
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    Well, actually, when you call someone a traitor for what they believe, I actually think that is a sign of someone being against what this country was founded for...freedom of speech, ever heard of it? I fail to see how simply believing that someone is a racist (which I don't recall ever thinking of you) means that one is a racist. Your amazing logic alludes my simple mind all mighty one.

    What your argument is basically saying if I called you a skinny punk ass, then I'm a skinny punk ass when we all know that I'm the fat punk ass.
     
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  9. Rocketman95

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    oops, nevermind
     
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    Has anyone heard the song, or read the lyrics? Earle seems to be investigating not only Lindh's viewpoint, but also surviving loved ones who died on 9-11. I think it is a more nuanced song than just some aural equivalent to Jane Fonda having her picture taken with the viet cong. He's a good songwriter and exploring these issues is something to be commended. Now, can we all agree that Lee Greenwood needs to be drawn and quartered for his pandering? (wink, etc.)
     
  11. Elvis Costello

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    One true voice admist the din is welcome no matter how few hear it, Jeff-san. And Richard Thompson is very revered in some circles, man! Oh, forget it...Creed rocks! :D
     
  12. BrianKagy

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    Almighty is one word.
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    Not when you're drunk, you homophobe. :D ;) :) :p
     

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