Is Silas really to blame or is our roster simply not that good?

5th: memes

 

So it’s just a random occurrence that we’ve been a top ten shot location team?

 

Question for all the tank dreamers: Would u rather have a better coach, and we’re let’s say the 4th or 5th worst team, or Silas and be the worst team yet again?

 

sorry, thought you said tank memers

 

By whose standards? Are they shots that our players can make, or just generic shots? Because I am tracking the shots and while they are good, if you add in the players taking them, they aren't that good.



DD

 

We have had a tough schedule thus far. In all the games, but maybe 4, the other team just had a better roster (talent and experience) than us. We won 3 of those 4 games. The rest of the games we are playing against teams that none of our starting 5 would start on those teams. So from the jump we are behind on pure talent and experience alone. So regardless of the coach or our system, we were probably going to lose those games anyway. I think we will start looking more competitive once we get to a softer part of our schedule.

Bottom line is, we have a whole bunch of talented kids in our rotation that are still trying to learn the NBA game. EXPECT them to struggle.

 

I think it's both. Roster's young, inexperienced and not all a natural fit with each other. On the flip side, the rotations and play style are not doing anything to put our guys in their best position to succeed either. We're playing an iso-ball style that'd probably work great on the Harden-led Rockets of old, we do not have anything remotely resembling a Harden type player on the roster at all. In all honesty, we'd probably be playing a lot better if we played more of an old-school fundamental game: Off ball screens and movement, active passing and ball movement, a real pick and roll game (we saw flashes of a Green/Sengun 2 man game for example, that whilst fleeting, had a couple of moments of actually quite pretty basketball) and looking to either collapse the defense or create mismatches. We simply aren't doing those very basic things that most people who've played competitive ball at any level as an adolescent or older have run over and over and over. Silas is trying to put square pegs in round holes and it's clearly not working. The roster has potential, but the talent isn't realised yet, we can't expect them to take over and make things happen the way you can with a Harden or a Luka or a Steph type archetype. It's fine to not have those players, many teams have won playing team ball. The issue we have is we should be playing team ball, but we're playing in a way that the only way it's going to work is if one of our players inexplicably breaks out and transforms into one of those players, and it is not going to happen.

We also don't run very many plays. We could do wonders for a lot of our players by just introducing simple, fundamental basic plays.

 

You’ve been tracking the shots of two games now?

By analytics’ standards I suppose… shots at the rim… free throws… and 3 pointers. It just shows there is a sort of plan and system which you have steadfastly claimed there isn’t…

I mean our top 5 players in 3FGA is pretty much where you expect it. Players like KPJ shoot a lot of 3s… get to the ft line… get to the rim…. But just can’t make the shots efficiently.

 

Don't really care who the coach is, but the goal should be worst team in the league.

 

My issue with him is Eric Gordon should not have 36 mins or that many shots on a tanking team. Eason garuba and jc needs more mins.

Man rotation is wack.

 

The system is ISO, which is not a system at all, it is predicated on one man beating his man before anything happens.

I ran a more complex system for my 10 year old team back in the day....what the Rockets are running is crap basketball. And, SUPER EASY to shut down in the playoffs.

DD

 

Depends how you're winning. If it's better development of the young guys, holding guys accountable, and putting them in better positions to be successful - that's great.

If it's just playing the older guys or the better defenders 40 minutes a night and foregoing development of the young guys, then no. I don't care about a few extra wins that don't lead to one or more of our players becoming great...which is the only path to a legitimate contender.

 

Fertitty stays blameless.

Poetic and priceless.

 

So now the system/structure is ISO. Got it. You haven’t noticed any of the small actions they run? It’s just all ISO?

So you think nobody is telling/ teaching the players to go for the most efficient shots? Just a random occurrence?

The rockets have a crap roster and we were predicted to have a crap seasons. Your expectations were wrong going into the regular season so you are having trouble adjusting.

Silas isn’t going to be a long term coach, but it’s clearly the roster over the coaching staff that is most responsible for the current state.

 

Definition of location effective field goal percentage:


Shooting: location effective field goal%
If this team shot the league average FG% from each location, what would their effective FG% be? This gives us a sense of the efficiency of a team's shot profile.


So all the contested off balance shots kpj takes at the rim counts as location effective. Or the open Sengun 3 is location effective. It doesn’t mean that Silas is good.

the general answer to your question:

- fo: no vet presence. Weak roster construction at backup guard minutes. Kpj experiment
- Silas: not improving the team at all
- players: least responsible. I don’t see anything that makes their life easier.

 

Spoiler

Roster is young with potential (potential another word for ain’t done sh`t)

But if the roster is ‘simply not that good’, you look towards the GM.
(Whole different discussion. Regret taking Green? Smith? Mobley/Barnes? Mathurin/Ivey/Murray?)

Veterans? Just add veterans? This coach was losing with veterans.

Spoiler

Probably not the right veterans /s

Anyway, can you imagine if they added some vets while Josh Christopher(already in the doghouse), KJ Martin, Tari Eason and Usman Garuba rode the pine (or in the G League)? All the b`tching…

Spoiler

(According to NBA.com; current record in parenthesis)

• The Oklahoma City Thunder enter the 2022-23 season as the youngest team in the NBA by age, with the average player 23.14 years old.
• The Milwaukee Bucks enter the 2022-23 season as the oldest team in the NBA by age, with the average player 29.47 years old.

Oklahoma City Thunder – 23.14 (7-9)
Houston Rockets – 23.58 (3-13)
San Antonio Spurs – 23.84 (6-10)
Orlando Magic – 23.94 (5-11)
Memphis Grizzlies – 24.27 (10-6)
Charlotte Hornets – 24.60 (4-13)
Portland Trail Blazers – 24.78 (10-5)
New York Knicks – 25.02 (8-8)
Detroit Pistons – 25.08 (3-14)
Indiana Pacers – 25.08 (8-6)
Atlanta Hawks – 25.23 (9-6)
Minnesota Timberwolves – 25.44 (7-8)
New Orleans Pelicans – 25.56 (9-7)
Utah Jazz – 25.86 (11-6)
Toronto Raptors – 25.88 (9-7)
Sacramento Kings – 25.97 (8-6)
Washington Wizards – 26.26 (9-7)
Philadelphia 76ers – 26.54 (8-7)
Denver Nuggets – 26.59 (9-6)
Golden State Warriors – 26.66 (7-9)
Chicago Bulls – 26.67 (6-10)
Cleveland Cavaliers – 26.83 (9-6)
Los Angeles Lakers – 27.15 (4-10)
Boston Celtics – 27.48 (13-3)
Brooklyn Nets – 27.57 (7-9)
Dallas Mavericks – 27.89 (9-6)
LA Clippers – 27.98 (9-7)
Phoenix Suns – 28.05 (9-6)
Miami Heat – 28.13 (7-9)
Milwaukee Bucks – 29.47 (11-4)

Average number of seasons of NBA experience:
Oklahoma City Thunder – 1.94 (7-9)
Houston Rockets – 2.29 (3-13)
Orlando Magic – 3.00 (5-11)
San Antonio Spurs – 3.06 (6-10)
Memphis Grizzlies – 3.12 (10-6)
Indiana Pacers – 3.18 (8-6)
Charlotte Hornets – 3.63 (4-13)
Atlanta Hawks – 3.69 (9-6)
Detroit Pistons – 3.82 (3-14)
New York Knicks – 3.88 (8-8)
New Orleans Pelicans – 3.88 (9-7)
Portland Trail Blazers – 3.93 (10-5)
Toronto Raptors – 4.06 (9-7)
Washington Wizards – 4.24 (9-7)
Sacramento Kings – 4.29 (8-6)
Minnesota Timberwolves – 4.31 (7-8)
Utah Jazz – 4.53 (11-6)
Denver Nuggets – 5.00 (9-6)
Philadelphia 76ers – 5.06 (8-7)
Cleveland Cavaliers – 5.13 (9-6)
Los Angeles Lakers – 5.35 (4-10)
Dallas Mavericks – 5.35 (9-6)
Chicago Bulls – 5.35 (6-10)
Miami Heat – 5.50 (7-9)
Golden State Warriors – 5.50 (7-9)
Phoenix Suns – 5.56 (9-6)
Brooklyn Nets – 5.65 (7-9)
Boston Celtics – 5.82 (13-3)
LA Clippers – 6.56 (9-7)
Milwaukee Bucks – 7.24 (11-4)

Let’s find out?! Fire Silas and promote Mahmoud Abdelfattah (or if you want, former HC Lionel Hollins)
Again, if the talent sucks or they’re too young or whatever, who cares who the coach is, right? Hollins, Abdelfattah, Lucas, whoever, they’ll just keep on their losing ways.
The (low, low bar of) O/U was 23.5 or 24.5 wins? They’re not even on pace to hit that. (18.9)

What’s the case for keeping Silas? (Besides “He’s doing exactly what the Rockets want”)
Optics I guess?
No one really thinks he’s the long term answer, do they?

Like father, like son.
Paul oversaw one of the worst teams in NBA history in the 2011-12 (7-59) Charlotte Bobcats
Steve is in a 3-year stretch of the worst teams in Rockets history
“Worked with LeBron, Steph and Luka” blahblahblah….spent 20 years as a career assistant and looks like for good reason.

 

Silas is not a good coach. And see this is what I meant when I said we are gonna become the Knicks and the Kings. They kept holding on to inefficient players and bad coaches and overating them. Silas is not that guy, anyone can win with superstars they may not win a chip but obviously if we had superstars we'd be a playoff team. Silas is not the guy to take these players and make them stars and then lead them to a championship. Houston will learn the hard way I fear.

 

Not saying Silas is the only issue. But when players or coaches are this historically bad in any sport, they basically never turn things around. No one is saying the Rockets should be in the mix for the play in, but you typically see more signs or flashes of something than Silas has shown in the past 2.25 seasons.

 

He is ready.