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Is Ron Paul still considered "fringe?"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Franchise3, Apr 15, 2010.

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  1. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    hes not a great public speaker, but this is worth 3:30 of your time.

    its also why republicans will never support him.

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    "war is a racket serving the special interests"
     
  2. HombreDeHierro

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    he speaks the truth ad the truth doesn't win
     
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  3. Phillyrocket

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    "War and military spending are always destructive to the economy."

    "What if conservatives that preach small government wake up an realize that our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government."

    This guy is a Republican from Texas? :eek:
     
  4. plutoblue11

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    Ron Paul might be fringe on some of his views, but he is consistent and well-founded in most of his views and opinions (and does not necessarily pander to a majority base, whether it be citizens or special interest institutions).

    I can say he was the one of things about the entire 2008 Primaries and elections that actually got me excited about voting (I'm one of those no party affiliated, apathetic about the entire political structure and would rather watch the HSN, then all of the shucking and jiving slicksters; pseudo moralistic role models (who are fighting for family values), yet are involved in drugs and having affairs with gay prostitutes; the pro-war without a "real" cause crowd; hypocrities on both sides who are paid for by special interests and conglomerates; and etc.


    I found out he was a breath of fresh air, most articulate, frank about many topics, and meticulously persistent in debates. Reading all of the policies he supported or voted against. He defines the term of maverick, much better than Sarah Palin could ever dream of. Still, cannot find out why someone like that is so popular and beloved, and even respected as a serious political figure, yet find someone like Ron Paul, a kooky outside or someone who should not give the presidential race a serious thought, yet throw support around someone who might not even be able to win a debate or provide a competency level as high as John McCain's own daughter.
     
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  5. SunsRocketsfan

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    Ron Paul is awesome!! I supported and voted for him in the last election with a write in vote. I may not agree with everything he stands for but he is definitely the rare politician that stands by his beliefs. You know what you are getting with Ron Paul. None of this political speak crap and lies. I hope his son Rand Paul follows in his first steps. We definitely need more people like RP in congress.
     
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    i think Ron Paul is a great speaker!! his points are articulated very concise and clearly..

    I recommend reading his books "End the Fed" and "The Revolution" He's a great writer and if you are curious on RP's views those two books is a great starting point!
     
  7. SunsRocketsfan

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    yup sadly this is true... In order to win you gotta play the whole political game and pretty much lie and be a slimeball... pretty sad thats the state of politics in this country..
     
  8. wtfamonkey

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    So how are the Bankers right? An extremely depreciated dollar and multiple major economic recessions do not give me any any reason to side with them. At least give Ron Paul a chance. The dollar has depreciated to to almost .2 cents from the dollar back in 1911.
     
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  9. wtfamonkey

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    They were doing fine until the U.S. f'ed everything up.
     
  10. Ottomaton

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    Really?? Are you sure? You might want to check your fact a bit closer.

    Fact:

    Wild fluctuation between extreme deflation and extreme inflation were was the regular state of things prior to the advent of the Fed. Among all the possible outcomes, a low, steady inflation is the most productive. It has gotten out of control on several occasions, but those are minor incidents compared to what came before and are failures of the system, rather than a systemic flaw.

    Fact:

    There were regular and much more severe depressions prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve. In fact, the 50 years before the introduction of the Fed were among the worst in American history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1857

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1873

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1884

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1896

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1901

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1910–1911
     
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  11. FranchiseBlade

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    nice post
     
  12. jo mama

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    i would disagree w/ your premise. and imo, we have already been bowing to our corporate overlords for quite a while. both parties are beholden to corporate interests over those of the average american.

    how much did your goldman sachs, microsofts, citigroups, time-warners, GEs and JP morgans contribute to ron paul vs. obama?

    if a ron paul presidency would be such a corporate free-for-all/wet-dream then why arent they pumping millions of dollars into his campaign? perhaps they know that the corporate welfare/socialism they enjoy under republicans AND democrats will be threatened?
     
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  13. Rashmon

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    How soon they forget...

    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

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    Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Paul’s newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. (“What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!” one newsletter complained in 1990. “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”) In the early 1990s, newsletters attacked the “X-Rated Martin Luther King” as a “world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” “seduced underage girls and boys,” and “made a pass at” fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy.
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    The newsletters are chock-full of shopworn conspiracies, reflecting Paul’s obsession with the “industrial-banking-political elite” and promoting his distrust of a federally regulated monetary system utilizing paper bills. They contain frequent and bristling references to the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations--organizations that conspiracy theorists have long accused of seeking world domination.
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    When I asked Jesse Benton, Paul’s campaign spokesman, about the newsletters, he said that, over the years, Paul had granted “various levels of approval” to what appeared in his publications--ranging from “no approval” to instances where he “actually wrote it himself.” After I read Benton some of the more offensive passages, he said, “A lot of [the newsletters] he did not see. Most of the incendiary stuff, no.” He added that he was surprised to hear about the insults hurled at Martin Luther King, because “Ron thinks Martin Luther King is a hero.”
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    What’s more, Paul’s connections to extremism go beyond the newsletters. He has given extensive interviews to the magazine of the John Birch Society, and has frequently been a guest of Alex Jones, a radio host and perhaps the most famous conspiracy theorist in America.
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    Then there is Gary North, who has worked on Paul’s congressional staff. North is a central figure in Christian Reconstructionism, which advocates the implementation of Biblical law in modern society.
     
  14. pippendagimp

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    well considering the fact that bob rubin (of GS fame) is now chairman of the council on foreign relations and peter sutherland (also of GS fame) is current euro chairman of the trilateral commission, and taking into account rashmon's damning evidence that ron paul has approved references to these entities both frequently and bristlingly, i doubt that mr. paul is getting much financial assistance from any of the fortune 500 organizations you've listed here :grin:
     
  15. Rockets1616

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    hes just another free enterprise dumbtard
     
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    Because they don't believe Ron Paul has any chance of winning.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    To be fair to Ron Paul a lot of these might be more of a case of him not exercizing enough editorial discretion than any actual beliefs on his part.
     
  18. jo mama

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    "Rosa Parks is one of my heroes, Martin Luther King is a hero...because they practiced the libertarian principles of civil disobedience and non-violence." - Ron Paul

    http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48742220_ron-paul-rosa-parks’s-heroism-“testament-power-fre
    February 4, 2008

    “On February 4, Americans nationwide will reflect on the legacy of Rosa Parks and wonder if they too would be so brave as to take a stand for freedom. Teachers will tell their students of the power of a woman who refused to bend to an unjust law, and parents will tell their children to never give into evil—but what more can we learn from this remarkable woman, who is one of my greatest heroes?

    “By challenging the injustice of segregation and refusing to give up her seat, Rosa Parks became an icon for a generation—but we must remember that the love of liberty is no passing fad, as we continue the struggle for freedom today. Rosa Parks’s heroism is a testament to the power of freedom, and we must carry her spirit to the present day.

    “Will we too refuse to comply with injustice? Will we take a stand against unconstitutional and heinous government actions that threaten our rights today, such as the Patriot Act and Real ID?

    “The future of free society depends upon the strength of the people to rise against injustice. We should remember that when Rosa Parks refused to stand on that bus, she stood for principle—and let us all have the courage to stand with her today.”
     
  19. Rashmon

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    I think it speaks volumes in regards to his suitability to higher office, and not in a good way.

    I think people get enamored by his good ideas and ignore his crackpot side.
     
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