burden of proof required in a court of law is considerably more than what we need to see or hear to form strong opinions. I personally am convinced he used steroids and HGH, but I also am just as convinced that nothing presented so far would come close to getting him convicted. I'd alter the poll options. Not done, but guilty is my answer. Evan
Yes, he's DONE. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=142559 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=142306 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=141725 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=142178 Do we really need another "Clemens" thread?
McNamee claims he has the needles and other physical evidence from 5 years ago! I am sure DNA test will show it was Clemens.
No, man... sorry... I don't mean anything against YOU, per se... but, damn, I'm tired and irritated from seeing only CLEMENS this and McNAMEE that in bold on the Astros/Texans forums... On top of that, the Hangout begins to get saturated with these threads that ask a SEPARATE question...
stuff that hasn't been verified and is already under a decent amount of fire anyway. No one has a clue what they would show or if it would hold up in court. The DNA would be coming either from white blood cells or skin tissue, and I don't know how much could be isolated from the gauze or needles. Even beyond that, the defense would pull for reasonable doubt that McNamee took these needles and introduced the HGH after Clemens got the "real" injection. Pretty obvious doesn't equal beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially when the defense lawyers are millionaires. Evan
im sure they won't be allowed in any court proceeding because there's zero chain of custody to point to their reliability.
I believe Clemens is lying, and is guilty. That being said, I don't think he can be convicted, as to me there is still some small measure of reasonable doubt. So, in conclusion, Yes, he did it, but if I was on a jury, I would not convict him of perjury. DD
Is there a test for the age of the HGH? For example to show that the HGH was from the same time period as blood or other body tissues?
they can't even test for HGH in a player today, as far as i understand it. there are no reliable tests. that's the magic of HGH....as i understand it, it's undetectable.
Depends on who you believe. I don't believe it's technicality. I believe people are innocent until proven guilty. That one of the major reasons for that is because defendants can't prove innocence...they can't prove a negative....can't prove that they didn't do something. Frankly, I can't prove I never used HGH. All I can do is exactly what Roger is doing right now...deny it.
Well in the end it comes down to people, how does the congress work? Do they vote or have to be like the jury where everyone agrees for a conviction?
Like any other criminal proceeding, they hold a trial in a court (in this case federal court) You're proven guilty and you go to federal pound me in the ass prison.
This is what's so stupid about this. And some of the representatives keep pointing this out. If he's done something illegal, indict him. Take him before a court. This proceeding is worthless. Nothing comes of it. Just like the Mitchell Report. Nothing has happened. Baseball is no better off for it.
