Is Morey's package for Denver better than the Knicks' or Nets'?

Bud + Jeffries + Hill would be better than Curry + Gallinali.

 

Our Knicks picks and Budinger alone would be better than anything the Knicks have to offer. They have the least to offer. I think that is obvious.

 

They wont offer Favors...

 

both are expiring after this season. Restricted free agents and Randolph has said he wants more money.

 

I think that Budinger+Brooks+2 draft picks is better than Gallo and Randolph. Plus, Denver ensures those picks (if they end up bein the ones from NY) stay crappy (unless NY pulls someone else in).


The bottom line is that Carmelo is a superstar. He is 26 years old. We are going to absolutely pay out the ass for him if we want him. But, if he honestly wants to come here, we need to make i happen.

I would even do Brooks/Budinger/Patterson+2 picks.

 

Carmelo is game changer like someone already posted he did will Syracuse to A Championship as a freshman. But he needs the right pieces around.

So what is he worth, I have no idea. I would love him on this team without having to lose any core pieces.
Losing C-Bud would suck but that's one person I guess would be expendable. But we have to preserve are team chemistry.

 

I just don't think Denvers getting much for Melo they are in the same boat as The raptors last season. We see what they got. So to think that people will be paying a kings ransom for him is absurd. I say theyll be lucky if they get a decent starter. Best bet they get some bench guys with "potential"and picks.

Bottom Line there in a bad situation. One they didn't want to be in that's for sure.

 

I think I could welcome Melo if he bought into the team mode that the Rockets have built. No longer do we have a team dependent on a one-two punch. If he understands that he can't jack up the shots he took in Denver, I would be okay with him being on the team, even if he has a history of legal problems. I don't give a dayum.

Now if we're giving up Aaron or Luis, I will be pissed. It will be sad to see Shane or Chase go, but not as much as AB and Scola. Shane can play anywhere as a true professional, but I love having him on our team, especially in the crunch.

Chase is a tremendous talent, but the NBA is a business and he's a hot commodity right now for most teams. A shooter with hops, defense and "coachability"

 

Well thought out, reasonable trade.

I don't know if it is a foregone conclusion they will have to rebuild though. I you get a 20 ppg scorer (and other things from us presumably) and have Harrington they could probably still contend for a playoff spot (maybe 5-8 seed instead of 1-4 seed they were competing for before their coach had his unfortunate situation develop), and could still have pieces to trade (like Billups later) and stay competitive for a few years. The big part will be their coach's health influencing that team's success and intangibles I think.

As far as SF, I agree with you they aren't lacking for a starter now that you mentioned Harrington. But he is 30 and I don't know if they have a back up SF that is young and has talent like Buddinger.

I agree with NJ having to gut their team to get melo and melo not wanting to play for a team that might not contend for a few years. They had the worst record in the league last year and despite new ownership and head coach, young talent still has to develop (and prove it's not a bust) and they will have some years to go before seriously contending for a title (if at all). Chris Paul is a looming specter in all this though (But I think the Denver organization will look out for itself first and take the best offer).

I looked at your idea and including that offer, I don't know if NY has anything better talent wise than what we can offer. Good players on bad teams can be iffy sometimes (not always though). I would say they do have some pieces.

Really this might just be nothing but rumors and gossip, but I think either Houston trade option might be a reasonable idea (and perhaps the best offer) for Denver's point of view.

 

They want picks, youth and some performers. We got all bases covered and none of the other teams do. They need a scorer back? Brooks or Martin. Two 20 points a game guy. Something niether other team offers and both are already near star level players(upside not needed and already included), Patterson (upside if they want and young), Knicks pucks which the Knicks by the way dont have(If they did wouldnt be as valuable from New Jersey or New York because Carmello would be there lessening the value, Therefore our Knicks picks are most valuable, expirings Battier, Brooks dual value, and Jeffries. Youth? Budinger, Brooks, Patterson. We could go every which way they want any variation and not hurt our roster enough to be less of a team than either the Knicks or Nets in any move. There is no way around it. We are by FAR the best team in this. In every single column.

 

After reading the Nuggets board, I think I am a little more clear on thier position.

My proposal:

Trade One:

Trevor Ariza TPE

for

Chris Andersen (4.5m)

Trade Two:

Carmello Anthony (17.15m)

for

Jared Jeffries (6.8m x 1.15 (kicker) = 7.91m)
Jordan Hill (2.67m)
Chase Budinger (.78m)
Chuck Hayes (1.97m)
Jermaine Taylor (.78m)
3 Million Cash
Both NY Picks

Total = 14.11m

Nuggets save 7.5m immediatley and 15m with tax implications. They get Hill, Bud, Taylor and 2 potential lottery picks to start rebuilding. Hayes is probably not a rebuilding piece per say, but is a great influence on the youngsters. They dump 35 yr old Andersens long term deal in the process. They would still be about 5 million over the tax line, but could probably give away Smith at the dealine to escape the penalty. They would have a core of Lawson, Afflalo, Budinger, Hill, Taylor and 2 lottery picks to build on.

Alternatively, instead of Hayes, the Rockets could give up Patterson if its not enough.

Rockets would roll with:

Brooks / Lowry
Martin / Lee
Melo / Battier
Scola / Patterson
Yao / Birdman / Miller

Contender lineup I believe. Birdman offers up the size and defensive big we have been missing. Melo gives us a difference maker. We would have an offensive and defensive specialist at every position....

 

i disagree...like i said we'd have to get denver to buyout battier and hayes and we'd resign them.

completely random trade but

billups/lowry
martin/lee
melo/battier/balkman
scola/hayes/patterson
yao/miller/hayes/birdman

pretty damn solid team imo. starter scoring is better than any team in the league and has 4 guys that get to the line non-stop and shoot a very FT%. bench is solid d but complete lack of scoring.

 

I just can't see how it would be enough without including AB or Martin, unless as you seem to indicate that if they rebuild they are just looking to dump salary. Without Melo a contract like Birdman is pardon the pun an albatross so it makes sense toget rid of it from Denver's point of view as well as accept it as a poison pill from the Rocks.

I really really hope that this would be the case.

 

trade battier, taylor, patterson and jefferies...picks and cash are always nice too Denver without melo has to start rebuilding...with Lawson JR Smith Taylor Patterson and a bunch of picks they are on their way

do everything u can to get melo imagen melo in RA system he already has those back cuts down and with Scola and Yao our frontline becomes one of the best in the league hands down


NBA Champs Line-up
Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Lee
Melo/Bud
Scola/Hill
Yao/Miller

 

With this line-up, who is gonna play defense except Yao?

 

realistically, this is what Denver would want. One of Brooks or Martin, my hunch is they would want Brooks because he is cheaper.

This is assuming that the SI report is true and he would sign a multiyear deal with us:

Brooks
Budinger
Harris
Hill
Jeffries
Johnson
Patterson
NY 2012 Pick

for

Anthony
Anderson ( 4.5 million of Ariza trade exception)

Lowry/Lee/Smith
Martin/Taylor
Melo/Battier
Scola/Anderson
Yao/Miller

or if they want back Martin in the scenario:

Martin
Budinger
Hill
Jeffries
Patterson
Harris
Johnson
NY 2012 Pick

for

Anthony
Smith
Anderson ( use 4.5 million of Ariza trade exception)

Brooks/Lowry
Lee/Smith
Melo/Battier
Scola/Anderson
Yao/Miller

I don't think New York, Orlando, or New Jersey can beat that.

 

Wouldn't it be IRONIC if we were able to trade for Melo using the Knicks pick. NY fans will be hella pissed.

 

If Denver and Anthony would both agree to that deal I'm sure the Rockets would be asking "Where do we sign".