I thought you couldn't trade consecutive first round picks? Like if the Rockets don't have their first rounder this year, they HAVE to have it next year
A FUTURE first round pick. Doesn't have to be next years...... IT COULD BE the 1st round pick of 2048.
CrazyJoe - First - Yes, clowns are scary. Especially the one in the White House... Second, Mo-T was our most consistent Offensive Threat in the last Quarter of the season, second to Steve. I think Mo can be coached into becoming a more physical guy who goes after boards on both ends. If he rebounds more, he would automatically elevate his value to top 10 PF status in the league, because not that many (K.G., Webber, Dirk, Malone, notwithstanding) have his combination of inside outside, instant offense!!
And man..........Mobley could actually be disciplined by Pat Riley....and maybe could become much better. But I still don't know. Maybe Steve and Jones start instead of Ford and Francis. I still think it's a pretty fair trade. MOBLEY AND TAYLOR FOR JONES IS NOT though. MOBLEY AND TAYLOR FOR JONES AND 4th pick overall is kinda fair.
The rule is that you can't go 2 consecutive years without A 1st round pick. However, it doesn't mean that you have to keep your picks. You can acquire someone else's 1st round pick. So, if we were to acquire Miami's pick this year, we could send them our pick next year or at some time in the future.
Another reason....is TJ Ford is only 5-10. And he probably can't play defense against someone like Scottie Pippen or Jason Kidd or Gary Payton or Steve Francis or yeah. And Mobley does play defense and is a hardworker...Pat Riley likes. They really need offense. They were like last in scoring.....also 1st in points allowed or somewhere around that. I STILL THINK THIS IS A VERY VERY FAIR TRADE. Jones could backup Steve and Nachbar and we wouldn't have to resign Posey...even though that would be good. Oh well! Never gonna happen.
I have no beef with Mo's offense. That is one of his few pluses. Its Mo's lack of D and rebounding that would not endear him to Riley (Mo is not Riley material). Couple that with his contract and his injury and I don't think Riley would see him as eye candy in any potential deal. As far as Riley molding him into the type of player that he wants, why would he go through that type of trouble when he can sign a FA that already posseses those qualities with all the cap room they have? SLA, I don't think Mobley and Taylor would get you Jones and the #5 pick. No way. Mobley and Jones might be close to a wash talent wise (although, contracts and age are a factor). Taylor is worth nowhere near a #5 pick.
Stay away from Jones, and u got a deal. Say, Mobley, Taylor and future #1 for Grant and the #5. We get the pg position that is open and the banger. And we still have Rice and Eddie left to make other trades if needed. It is not a perfect deal, since u would be trading away your best trade bait in Mobley for an unproven, undersized pg, but its not a bad option to think about.
When the new coach is brought in, do you think he'll be content with the current roster, or will he do some roster work?
Seeing as he'll be coming into the system with an outsider's perspective he'll probably be able to notice some of the weaknesses Rudy couldn't (or at least didn't deal with).. Mobley being one of them.
i thought jones was a 2 though? so we would have... ford - 5'10'' francis - 6'2'' jones - about 6'6''??? grant - 6'10'' (the only one at a typical height for his position) yao - 7'5'' ford, francis and jones would all be shorter than most others at their respective positions.
Many of the better SF's are only 6'7". Paul Pierce is only 6'6" & Spreewell is only 6'5". Jones plays really good defense on the quicker SG's in the league. I don't see any reason why he couldn't guard the SF's just as well. A player's height doesn't tell the whole story. Take a look at Elton Brand for instance (6'8" PF in the Western Conference)
Maybe you package the #5 with Steve Francis, send him to Detroit for the #2 and Chauncey Billups. Draft Carmelo Anthony (or Darko). PG - Billups SG - Jones SF - Anthony PF - Grant C - Ming There you have it. Get rid of everyone who is hated on the board (except for Moochie), keep Yao I touwld be a pretty decent team, though.
Hottoddie, Is your plan.......<b>TJ</b> or bust? How far down in the first round would you go...before saying it is not worth it to take a bad contract? <b>Just a scenario for this thread</b> <i>Kaman is slated to go before the Wasington pick and they decide they have to move up to the #5 pick to be able to snag him. Ridnour and/or Hinrich and/or Gaines etc should still be on the board at #10. With some tweaking of your previous trade plans: Washington picks #5 (or Miami acting as a proxy for Washington Houston until deal is closed later in the summer) Houston picks #10 (or Washington acting as a proxy for Houston until deal is closed later in the summer) Miami gets future picks Shuffle players to get the deal done. </i> I haven't played with the contract figures to see what is possible...........am more curious to see if you are open to alternative plans.
I guess my first question would have to be, what players from Washington are you interested in trading for, or, are you just planning on draft picks being involved with Washington? For instance, if Washington wanted the #5 pick for the #10 pick, they'd have to sweeten the deal. They don't really have any players that I'd be real crazy about, with the possible exception of Kwame Brown. Since they don't have anyone that really knocks my socks off, I'd probably ask for a "Homer's Advantage" (a trade that heavily favors the home team ). Something like #5 for #10 & a future #1 pick or Kwame/#10 pick for Moochie/#5 pick/filler. In answer to your question of choosing another PG, I've heard some really good things about Ridnour, but I don't know anything about the other players you mentioned. The thing I like most about TJ is his speed & ability to make decisions on the fly. Every player that comes into the NBA is usually intimidated by the speed & tempo of the game at first. It's my opinion that TJ will be more suited to the speed of the NBA, than the rest of the PG crop, from the very beginning. The others you mentioned may become solid PGs, but it's probably going to take time. But, that's just my opinion.
Hottoddie, I chose Washington because it has the #10 pick and that was far enough away from #5 to make a person pause when considering <i>buying into</i> the first round. I could have used the Milwaukee #8 or the Golden State #11 or the New York #9 ........etc. It isn't so much the pick # that I am asking about, rather the fact that it would be for someone besides <b>TJ</b>. Yes, the team moving up from: #8 to #5 #9 to #5 #10 to #5 #11 to #5 etc has to throw some <i>juice</i> into the deal to get the other teams to take it on as a partner in the complicated project. Houston would end up with a later pick than #5, but it would have a greater chance of actually getting a deal done because of the larger number of scenarios that could be put together. The <i>juice</i> could involve picks and/or players. <hr color ="green"> If one wants to actually consider players to involve in scenarios, wouldn't the Bucks' roster create some interesting possibilties?
