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Is LeBron a little b****?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Honey Bear, Jul 8, 2010.

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  1. Gooshie

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    Except if you decide to stop worrying about your "legacy" and take less money to play with your best friends in a city you like.

    Then you're a b****.
     
  2. MadMax

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    Magic, Dr. J and Bird never left their teams, Icehouse. Again...no one here has a problem with a guy wanting to play with good players.
     
  3. MadMax

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    i think he backed away from a challenge. i think he took the path of least resistance...the easiest road. i realize you see it differently.
     
  4. Icehouse

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    Hmm, you pick 4 dudes out of like 20 and call it awful? Gasol is one of the best bigs in basketball. Yes, give me Pippen over Wade all day. He lost MJ and still took his team to 55 wins by leading his team in almost every category. Yes Grant in Chicago was close to Bosh. Bosh is severly overrated around here. What the hell has he accomplished. Give me Rodman over Bosh all day every day.
     
  5. Gooshie

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    Well, after the scrutiny he's receiving, I'd hardly call it an easier road.

    He's taking the path that will make him happy. I applaud him for it, and for the endless entertainment his absurd way of going about it is providing.

    In your life, MadMax, have you always placed your professional challenges above all else?
     
  6. Honey Bear

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    Dr. J = wing player. Moses = post player. All my posts have emphasized strengths at their respective positions to differentiate wing players from post players. I don't think people realize how much two wing players in LeBron and Wade will have to sacrifice from their own games so they can co-exist and win. It's a tragedy. But please, don't let me stop you from strengthening your "point" with more tidbits from Dr. J's basketball reference page.

    So you agree that LeBron is a pansy. You could have just came out and said it. At the end of the day, Wade made his team better and LeBron bolted a team built around him entirely, that failed to win a title, to the only other team where he wouldn't have the superstar burden all to himself. And that's why LeBron is a b**** and you can't say the same about Wade. As the bonafide #1 player in the league, you need a certain sense of pride and accountability that we don't see in the LeBron's and TMac's. This is not about the most attractive FA destination, only a goose would believe that.

    Kobe had 3 titles to his name and felt the Lakers wanted to go young and rebuild around Bynum. His reasoning was that the team didn't want to go in the same win now direction to utilize his prime years. He wasn't copping out of the superstar responsibility (which he had already proven he could live up to), he just had a veteran mindset having accomplished so much. Once he communicated with management and they got on the same page, that Bynum was part of a win now direction, he backtracked. Look at the larger picture. LeBron is afraid his best won't be good enough without having even scratched the surface. And as a basketball fan, that's a downer.
     
  7. Icehouse

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    Magic & Bird never had to leave their teams. They had great squads from day 1, and every title team they were on had more talent than Wade, Bosh and 8 scrubs. The same for Dr J in Philly, even before Moses arrived. And free agency then wasn't what it is now. If they played today no one knows what the hell they would have done, especially since they were so serious about winning. Sorry, but I don't see Magic or Bird staying in a losing situation, especially not Magic...who got a coach fired.
     
  8. durvasa

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    So you disagree with Josh Innis, who said that him returning to Cleveland would have been the path of least resistance: no where near the same scrutiny, he's playing in a city that worships him, he has an excuse if he doesn't win a championship, he's play for an owner that lets him and his entourage do whatever the hell they want, he gets to dominate the ball and pretty much do whatever he likes in that system, etc. In many respects, LeBron had it pretty good in Cleveland. He was asked to do more for his team than any other player, but he could do everything pretty much on his terms. He gave that up to play in a more egalitarian system where he shares the praise with others (though he'd likely get the lionshare of the blame if they lose), and playing under a noted task master in Pat Riley. Of course, Miami is also a nice place to live.
     
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    Yes he is a little b****. He took the easy way out and the way he did it was uncalled for. People are saying he did it to win a championship, he did it because he just wants to win. It was the easy way out. Also those idiots out there who say he had no chance win Cleveland should STFU. How does a team have the #1 seed two years in a row and have no shot at winning a title. LeBitch could've easily signed an extension with the cavs and waited for the team to add that 'One' piece. Seriously they were only one piece away from winning a championship and they have an owner who is willing to spend. Dan Gilbert has gone over the luxury tax many times in order to surround Lebron with talent.
     
  10. MadMax

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    hold on...the dude is almost finished with my new Chosen One back ink...when he's finished i'll fully reply to this with bio and resume.
     
  11. MadMax

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    i don't know who Josh Innis is, but apparently i disagree with him.

    yes...i think he knows it will be easier to get the monkey off his back playing next to an alpha like Wade than it would have been to do it in Cleveland.
     
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    Well it's easy to name these players because they had their co-superstars.

    What if those guys switched places with Barkley in Philly, 'Nique in Atlanta, AI in Philly, Ewing in NY.

    Would Magic, Dr. J, and Bird still win championships? Would Barkely, 'Nique, AI, Ewing, win championships on those loaded teams? Would history have changed for all of them?
     
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    Here are the drafted players after lebron was drafted in 2003.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2008.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2009.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2010.html

    Thats 7 drafts and they came away with jackson,shannon brown, and jj hickson. In the other 4 years, they didn't even have 1st rd picks. We're not even going to get into what happened prior to that. Jackson had a bad back and never played and shannon was traded early and didn't even really get a chance to play. Hickson is going to be a good player.
     
  14. Gooshie

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    It's a nickname. And a tattoo. Acquired by an egotistical child.

    But what about my question?

    Why does he have to choose the path of hardest resistance?

    Would you choose to work 90 hours a week at a crappier company just because on the off chance you make them successful you'll look more loyal? Get some sort of egotistical pride that you were able to do it?

    Or would you rather work 35 hours a week with your best friends, sacrifice a little cash, and enjoy your life, doing it the way you want to?

    Why are we vilifying a 25 year old for not doing something the hard way? Why are we obsessed with seeing someone else overcome challenges that the average person, anyone with common sense, would avoid if they had the option?
     
  15. MadMax

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    if i can ever get that blasted 1.21 jiggawatts, i'll find out and let you know!
     
  16. MadMax

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    he doesn't HAVE to do anything. he doesn't HAVE to do anything other than what he did. i've said that over and over again in responses here. i am not saying he had any legal obligation to do anything here.
     
  17. Gooshie

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    And neither did I.

    But you're calling him a little b**** for doing what most people do everyday, and that's act in their best interests to make themselves happy.
     
  18. MadMax

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    that's because i'm legally obligated to do so.
     
  19. Gooshie

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    And I'm legally obligated to fart on your response!!!
     
  20. JumpMan

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    When the argument is Chicago, not Cleveland, it's pointless to defend his decision because Chicago has everything, but a leader. So, at the moment, this is a punk move by LeBron, BUT he can still rise above Wade and become the the bonafide leader of this team. Unlikely though, considering this decision.

    Wuteva though, still makes the NBA more interesting to me.
     

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