Is Kevin Martin fools gold?

DaDakota, I have a question for you...

Do you still believe Kevin Martin is about as good as Carmelo Anthony?

 

So far Martin seems to be pretty much as advertised. Before he got here, I read he was a highly efficient scorer who is weak on defense and who can't carry a team by himself but is a great complementary piece. And that's who he seems to be.

As for his numbers not leading to concrete results, I think that would be blaming an individual player for what is the flaw of a mediocre team. He can't carry this current Houston roster as the No. 1 option, just like he couldn't carry those Sac Kings teams he played on. But we already knew that.

As for his defense, I'd like to see how Martin plays with a big man who can protect the paint before I make a judgement. Our current lack of interior D is making even our defensive specialists look like scrubs.

Right now, this team is like a donut. We can criticize the sprinkles all we want, but it won't ever compensate for the big hole in the middle. Will Yao be able to fill that hole? (pause) And if so, how will Martin's style of play complement Yao's? I have no idea.

 

Is Von Wafer fools gold?

 

Got to love it when DaDakota is working at a 60-post per day pace (reallY), making every thread on the front page into one of his personal bloviation equations, and then accuses people who post in threads that he is posting in (which happns to be all of them) of "chas[ing]" him around.

It's like a portly fellow at a an all you can eat dessert bar, accusing the chocolate pudding of tormenting him.

Friend, as I've said many times, when you spend all day trolling for attention on internets, don't be so upset when you get it.

 

BTW DD how many times did you have to rate own threads with your lil imposter accounts to get it at 3 stars.

 

Kevin Martin reminds me of the Clippers. They have players that have huge potential and players that can score points in bunches, but there is no way as a GM I would touch any of them with a 10 foot pole, except Brian Cook of course. There is just something about them, like system quarterbacks and such. Martin makes as much as Emeka Okafor. EMEKA OKAFOR!

 

Great thread DD!

I wholeheartedly agree. Even on the Kings, he was "Fool's Gold" insofar as being soft and putting up respectable numbers on a sub-par team. This guy would have fit best on say the Phoenix Suns of old - looking to get fast break, cheapo points. But for any team that is striving to be more balanced, he simply doesn't fit the bill.

While a different positional player, this is where I came to really respect Artest btw. There is truly something to be said of the player who can be both a scorer (and better still a prolific scorer) while still playing shut-down 1 on 1 defense via his speed or size or strength.

My suspicion is that Morey ranked Martin high b/c of his ability to "get to the line." I'm not Morey. Don't profess to believe myself smarter than Morey. But I DO think lost in that evaluation of Martin might have been the +/- line specifically of Martin AGAINST his opposing SG.

What also drives me bonkers is that Martin's rush to get those fast break points hasn't really translated into a true "sustainable" and appreciable difference for us to win games. i.e. EVEN with this supposed advantage, we haven't been outright blowing out our opponents like the Suns of old. It's moot whether such a style even warrants championships, but bottom line is the supposed strengths of Martin haven't really translated into true wins.

Yes - we had a few close games. But outside of the Lakers, honestly, I don't believe a team with true competitive advantages (like a business) should be having so many close games to begin with. Where are the blowout victories?

If JVG were still here, Martin would NEVER have made it on the Rockets roster. What would have been interesting is if JVG HAD stayed and worked with Morey to statisically cull out the best defenders alongside the best scorers in and of the same body.

But I've all be given up on Martin. I'll take the Pillsbury Dough Boy over Martin.

theSAGE

 

Check the chron article a few days back. He scores more points in the 4th while shooting a higher percentage than in the other 3 quarters.

 

But he hasn't had any buzzer beaters. Therefore, he sucks in the 4th.

 

Is Kevin Martin fools gold fools thread? :grin:

 

^This

 

Here is the reality of the situation:

Morey was looking ahead and it (at least thus far) backfired. He thought Martin would be the perfect compliment to Yao. Yao would draw double teams and Martin would make open shots. Adelman might have been involved in this decision as well.

It backfired when Yao went down to injury again and thus you are left with what Kevin Martin really is; a One-Dimensional Scorer that makes over $12 Million a year for the next 3 seasons. Thats it. He doesn't give you anything else but scoring. The Rockets are struggling now not just because Yao is out, but because they miss Landry. Landry was perfect off the bench. He feasted on the other teams 2nd unit players, dunking over them, grabbing rebounds. He didn't play real defense, but he got the help block because he was athletic enough.

Flash Forward. Chuck Hayes doesn't give you that dimension coming off the bench. He is not that type of player. Also, with Brooks out, now you don't have Lowry coming off the bench. The simple solution for The Rockets is to alter their starting lineup:

C-Jordan Hill
PF-Chuck Hayes
SF-Shane Battier
SG-Kevin Martin
PG-Kyle Lowry

This allows you to bring Scola off of the bench to feast on the other teams 2nd unit. Brooks and Yao will eventually come back to start and then The Rockets will roll. They will have inside scoring with Yao and outside with Brooks/Martin. That gives you a combo of Lowry and Scola coming off the bench with high energy.

 

So I guess Mutumbo and Yao don't count?

 

When you spend much of your time trolling the GARM to the point where you actually started admitting that you have nothing better to do than antagonize other posters how can you expect anyone here to respect you or anything you say?

You run your mouth about how educated you are when it comes to the game of basketball but with your history of idiotic statements and ridiculous proclamations it's pure comedy to watch you try to pass yourself off as a serious fan of this team.

And now you cry when people treat you like a joke?

 

Martin scored 25 (on 12 FGs) and held Ellis to 18.

Scola missed seven free throws! Rox should have blown out the Warriors.

 

Rick did the right thing to put Lee in the 4th and took out of Martin

 

Fool's thread is more like it.

Martin had a TS% of .640 coming into this game, and he probably RAISED it.

 

Martin was never meant to be the alpha dog. He is great as a 2nd or 3rd option.