Putting up numbers is one thing. Putting up really, really, efficient numbers is another thing, and there has been extensive talk here about how efficient Martin is, and is worthy of note regardless of team. At least he's had experience in being the man, and no one's saying Martin's a number 1 option unlike Kobe or Lebron (and you aren't getting one of those without gutting the team, something you don't seem to get.) You're acting like Landry would have had substanially more success in being a franchise leader, something which sadly isn't true. Landry isn't awesome, but no one for even second would think he could actually lead a team. If Martin became another Reggie Miller, I think everyone on here would be overjoyed. I'll take multiple Conference Finals and a trip to the Finals after years of first round exits. And that's not even going into the fact that Martin's not expected to be the number one option like Miller was. Everyone here likes Landry, but Martin is key, particularly in shoring up our wing weaknesses. That's simply a fact. < Good. >
yea it sure is too bad we don't have 2 defensive minded G/F that we could use next to our offensive juggernaut... ill try one more way to explain it for you....teams are comprised of players of varying skill sets when placed together form a cohesive unit that works together for the greater good... i.e. the sum is greater than the parts divided.... you stick an amazing offensive player with questionable defense on a team with several defensive specialists with limited offense you have yourself a nice combo....now sure its great to have the guys who are both offensive and defensive savants....but can you really name me more than 10-15 players in the whole league who fall into this category? its usually one or the other not both....I mean does Dirk or Amare ring a bell? They do one thing well..score...there are 4 other guys out there to help with defense and to your point about putting up numbers on a crappy team... that just doesn't hold up when talking about a guy who puts those numbers up efficiently....
neither has: Bosh, Melo, Lebron, Durant, Nash, Roy, Howard....the list goes on and on lots of great players never win the title
Because Martin was the only good player on that Kings team. Put Carl Landry on that team that Martin had, they would be a lottery team too. Martin is a good borderline all star player. A go to scorer. Carl Landry is a good player but isn't a go to scorer. You watched Carl Landry played for like 3 seasons and you only watched Martin played like 5 games and you already bashing him. You really don't know much about basketball. Martin's defense isn't horrible, his defense is average. He always in the top 15 in steals for the last couple of seasons. Kevin Martin isn't a dynamic defender but he is good enough to hold his own. But I rather not have him waste much energy on defense when we have Shane and Ariza for that. I don't get what you don't understand. Martin is what this team needs. He will make Yao a better player. He compliments Yao more than Landry does. His FG percentages along with his ability to get to the line makes him the most efficient guard in the NBA. Plus he will be a much better scorer now with Houston because of Rick Adelman's offense. Kevin even stated that Rick's offense is a scorer's dream. If Landry was on a bad team like Martin was in, he would just put up stats and no Ws. A player like Kevin Martin is hard to come by. But Carl Landry is easier to replace than Kevin Martin. Luis Scola can take the spot for Landry while we don't have anyone who can replace Martin. The Rockets have a chance to get a high efficient scoring shooting guard so they made the trade. Plus don't bash on what Morey wanted to trade for. He is the wizard and he is great at what he do. He's a genius and that's why he gets pay big bucks to be the Rockets GM. Until you're getting pay big money to be an NBA team GM, you don't really have a good case on your hand.
Well so any player that have not taken their team to the finals and win the championship isn't good enough? There aren't many wings that have accomplished that today in the NBA. Lebron as great as he is still haven't won a championship. Right now, you're making yourself look worse the more you keep posting. How many wings can you think of that can score greatly and play great defense? Morey is smart at what he do. He surrounds a scorer like Martin with great defensive players with Hayes, Battier, Ariza and Lowry when he comes back. Look at Yao last season. The Rockets knew Yao was a gentle giant that is incredibly soft so what did they do? They surround the gentle giant with a group of pitbulls in Landry, Artest, Lowry, Scola, and Hayes. That's how the NBA works. There are no teams in the NBA that just have one type of player. But I guess to you, you think that all shooting guards are suppose to be great offensive and defensive players. Well, that's why Morey is getting paid and you sitting at home posting up threads to bash Martin.
What i really didnt know is that almost half his points come from freethrows. And on paper it might look like Martin is a bad shooter but really its just cause sometimes he goes for the aggresive play that will get him to the line and he wont always finish the tough shot
too many people are butt hurt over losing Landry. . . so much hate, just be happy we have a all star caliber scorer now!
Time to realize that GUARD with high TS% are RARE and bigs with high TS% are incredibly common. Ultimately, you're trying to fill a position with best players from that position. Positionwise, we gain more value from Martin than you would normally realize.
Yeah, Kevin Martin actually surprise me on his defense. He is NOT as bad as advertised. He played the passing lane well, and is not a total liability on man on man D as well.
I would go further and say that Kevin Martin is the Rockets best scorer since Hakeem. Yes, better than both T-Mac and Clyde during their years here. Although T-Mac was a better overall player. Just not the scorer Martin is. Over the years people have constantly talked about a shooter to compliment Yao. Kevin Martin is that guy and MUCH MORE. And the more casual Rockets fans will soon realize just how unbelievable the guy is at getting points.
Well we are going to agree to disagree. Martin is a stat man, not a championship piece. He is a ball hog and the Kings was actual winning at first when he was out with the wrist injury and they started losing when he came back into their line up so that should tell you something. At best if Yao doesn't opt out next season, which I think he will, the Rockets might sneak in the 2nd round, but won't do much better then that.
jordnnnn and Momma Joe, numbers don't lie. Link In the games he played for the Kings this year they went 4 wins- 22 losses For the Rockets 1-4. Championship piece indeed.
you think he has played like a ballhog in houston? and i just saw your comment about yao opting out...you know that has no basis in reality, right? and how is shooting a high 3p% and getting to the foul line a ton and shooting a high% just being a stat man? it's not like he is putting up empty inefficient points.
Martin is the ideal type of SG you want playing off a Yao centered team. Morey doesnt seem to be interested in collecting the biggest names, but the best fit. The Rockets were in a free fall before Martin got here and continued once he arrived. Trying to pin team success on one player is ignorant.
I laugh at the people calling him a "borderline allstar" or saying he is a glorified role player. Martin is not a superstar, but I consider him on the tier below. Factor in his contract is only 13M the next few years (a considerable amount but not a killer) And his age 26 or 27 (dont remember which one) and I consider him a huge piece in what we are trying to put together. We never put scorers around Yao. If he can just give us a year or two of health and good play, we have a serious team. But even if Yao doesn't come back, or is very limited, I still think you can build around Kevin Martin and what we have now.
good call....i guess you think tim tebow is going to be a dominant pro qb since all he did was win at florida.
