Funny thing is that I'm not one of those 'Jazzhole', considering that I've been a Raptors fans for half a decade now. Painful isn't it? Looking stupid like this... Include 0 championship rings; you can say that to so many players, who are far from chokers. Face it, as a basketball fan, you can't deny that he is a great player, on both sides of the season. But then again, that's easy for a biased-Rocket's fan like you to overlook. The reason he hasn't won a championship is, because he has never had a championship-worthy supporting cast.
I guess stockton wasn't championship worthy? Personally, I believe Pasty was the true championship worthy player on those jazz teams - he actually made the clutch shots. Karla was the choker ... the numbers don't lie. In the play-offs, Failing to meet (by a comparatively large statistical gap) or raise his level of performance to fit the pressure-packed occasion looks like choker to me. Dude, you may claim to be a toronto fan, but in this thread you're definitely a jazzhole.
Karl once shot 2/20 in a playoff game against the Lakers. Other than that, he kicked the Lakers' asses in all 3 series he's played against them. If that guy's a choker, I'd hate to think of what you'd call Webber.
Once again, this post isn't based on one series or one game .... it's about a career .... a career of post-season failure. And yes, I do consider Webber a play-off choker (as do many others).
Btw, this is Malone's 19th season in the playoffs. Come Duncan's 19th season in the playoffs, he'll be shooting sub-500 as well, imo.
Do you consider Malone a choker because of his fg%, because he never won a title, or both? It's hard to call him a choker because he had superior teams standing in his way.
Probably, but his career play-off average won't drop nearly 5 pts difference from his regular seasan average. These are career averages .... averages take into account declining years as well as best years.
Bullsh-t. The karma that prevented both Barkley and Malone from never winning a title was named Michael Jordan. Prior to that for Karl, it was named Hakeem Olajuwon, and prior to that, it was named Magic Johnson. By the time 1999 rolled around, the Jazz' window of opportunity had slammed shut.
Yeah, no kidding. Hakeem was no choker, but you have to wonder if Karl would be ringless if the Jazz had played the Knicks and Magic in the Finals instead of the Bulls twice. The 94/95 Rockets would've been beaten by either of the teams that Malone's faced.
Yes, stockton, a great player, but a supporting cast is not one player, but rather the rest of the team (e.g. including the bench). Seemingly, anyone who opposes your original statement, is a 'jazzhole'. That's pathetic; any knowledgable fan knows that Malone is one of the best powerforwards in NBA history, are you going to deny that too? Please, go back to your rockets-only world, but don't express your views on rival teams, because they are obviously tainted.
A lot of bad karma for a lot of players. Bad karma for Stockton too. Bad karma for Barkley. Bad karma for Wilkins. Bad karma for Ewing. Bad karma for Drexler until he lucked out with that midseason trade.
Malone was one of the best power forwards in the NBA, no doubt about it. What makes you a Jazzhole is your inability to see past some of his great numbers and acknowledge some of his less than stellar numbers (as if your were a Jazz/Malone fan and by your own statement to "nevermind" certain details), and what they may indicate about his play-off performance. They show he didn't rise to the occasion when it counted - great in the regular season, good enough to contend in the play-offs, but not enough to win a championship. Malone was a great player .... but even great players choke or don't come through when it matters most .... why do you think Mailman's in L.A. making a pathetic last gasp chance at winning a championship ... it's all about play-off performance and getting that ring dude. As far as the rest of the team, Jeff Hornacek certainly was pretty good ... and the other not-championship-worthy cast members didn't they put together the best record in the league one year? -- Did they look championship worthy that year?
Berserker, I think there's a saying ... it goes something like this: "You make your own Karma." IMHO, it looks like a lot of good/great players made their own bad karma.
Hmm, you're argument is that Malone is 'chokes' in the playoffs, and that he doesn't come in and play during that time of the season. I simply pulled out some stats to prove otherwise; those stats can't lie, because obviously he has done quite alot in the playoffs, as an individual.
Thanks 4 da jinx theWIGMAN! Can you post a topic like "Payton sucks this series" or "Kobe can't buy a shot lately"?
That year tested the Bulls to a game 7 with Indiana. The Jazz had home court and if he had made those shots, Jordan would've had to do more than that push off fadeaway on Byron Russel. Malone was invisible offensively in that series. The guy has had some share of bad luck.
