Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

Now this post I've read because it's one of the very few times that you've addressed me without being insulting because you don't agree with my opinion... Great Job...!!!!

And you're right, and I agree 100% that this is an OPINION BOARD and we are all free to post our opinions without being insulted. Except for me of course... But that's kool.

 

You've gotta be careful with posts like this. Because it's going to make Manziel fans think you're just a hater. But I gotta be honest, he sounded like he knew exactly what he was talking about, and after hearing this, I'm definitely locked in on Teddy B.

 

I'm kind of one who believes Johnny is the reason Mike Evans did so well because that dude takes along time to get open. Johnny's scrambling ability brought him a lot of time.

Another misconception is Johnny has the best offensive line and I believe Johnny is the one that makes them look good as well. Luke Joeckel had a horrible start to his NFL career and it's being reported that some NFL teams consider Matthews a center at the next level and not a tackle. There not falling for the same thing with Matthews that they did with Luke..

This A&M team probably would have lost to Rice if Johnny had sat out the entire game. It's going to be interesting to see how they look next year without him.

 

I don't care if they flop in the NFL completely (like Tebow who was amazing in college), the o-line was incredible at the college level. Absolutely incredible. Johnny often had time to sit back and do a little jig (like literally dance if he wanted to) before getting rid of the football, they held off the rush that well.

 

It's hard to judge an OLine as a group sometimes but what I can see is Johnny is a much better qb when he has a lot of space and time. He is also pretty god on the run.

When that space closes he becomes much less efficient as far as I can see. Of course almost all do but he looks bad.

I admit that is from a small sample size but the truth is it's hard to find a lot of closing pocket throws of him because he takes off running so quickly instead of stepping up in the pocket and throwing.

He doesn't seem to have a rhythm to his delivery. He can do a lot of amazing things on the run including throwing but you can't judge his pocket presence like that and you can't expect him to succeed in Obrien's system with that kind of play. He has to learn a whole new way of playing the game.

And then there's the real issue I have or question mark. Is he running scared? Not saying he is chicken, Manziel is a beast running but it takes a lot of guts to move up in the pocket when you know someone is breathing down your neck. And the reality behind that as you have to learn to trust your protection and trust yourself you can handle the hit and continue with your throw downfield.

Just look at Case, the minute he was asked to do that he struggled. He got better but it's hard to stand their and take it when you know it's coming. And it's not just about taking it you have to be smart and elusive in their all the while keeping your eyes downfield. IMO the only way you can improve is to do it. Case got a little better by the end but there is no way to know for sure if he will ever really get it until he gets it. Some never do. McCown told some a couple years back he finally got it but by then no one wanted to give him a job. Then Chicago came knocking and the results are in the pudding. Manziel could change no question but it is easy to see Bridgewater already gets it.

 

Good points....

Do you consider Johnny a finished product...???

Johnny has been pretty much a running back playing quarterback all his life. And to see the change he has made within one year I think speaks volume of his propensity to learn.

I think he hears ghost and or still has that "I got to run" thought going off in his head but that should be expected when taking a guy who played one way and changing his style up overnight. Vick didn't start to get it until he got with Andy Reid and was taking the game more seriously. And Kaepernick is still in the learning process. I think Johnny is way ahead of them at doing the things you speak of than what they were at this stage in his career.

Do you not think Johnny can learn...?

I don't think he's a finished product. It's going to be fun to watch his development where ever he goes.

 

It's a strange thought but I look at it like this... in order for Manziel to succeed in the NFL you first have to take away elements of his game that make him so great. Neuter him. Break bad habits. Then, once all of those things are stripped. Allow him to improvise again.

Someone has to break and reprogram him. Then flip that switch back on. It's a very Vick-like situation.

RG3 and Wilson weren't running around like this guy. Vick was. VY, Tebow, those guys - they were never considered NFL passing threats by anyone with a brain.

 

Doesn't sound strange to me at all Ziggy... Seems to me that's what Harbough did with Kaepernick during the regular season. He ran no where near as much as he did the previous season.

 

Ah that's true. That Pistol run game was like a nicotine patch. Slowly waned him off. Then he started to seemingly regress. Until he got better.

 

Well, after listening to the Brett Kollman podcast, I can certainly understand why they'd go with Bridgewater. A lot will depend on how well Manziel and the other QBs perform at the combine but if Teddy B is indeed the football savant Brent says he is then he'll be an ideal fit for BoB's complex offense. And man! was his description of Kubiak's offense dead on or what?

 

No mas Case, I was excited as anyone the first couple of games but the dread of watching that guy the last few games has scarred me.

He should definitely be in mix to be the backup but him or Schaub should have no chance at being starters next season.

 

That podcast guy seems a little butt hurt hating on the style of QB Manziel is.

I don't care what qb they take as long as it is bridgewater or Manziel (do not want bortles). Idk who this guy is but he doesn't seem very objective.

 

I wouldn't say butthurt, sounds more brutally honest in his assessment

Cosell said practically the same thing

Stop convincing yourself that Manziel is an option, he is at best a 3-4th round pick hype to the elevation of a 1st

Don't be surprised if he dropped.

 

I'd be kind of surprised if he drops. It only takes one idiot for him to become a first round pick and I'd bet that there will always be at least one really stupid GM in the NFL.

 

With the rise of Jimmy G, Matthews, Carr, Bortles I don't see how he is picked in the first

 

I know you're thrilled with Jimmy Garoppolo, but it's more likely that someone is an idiot and picks Manziel in the first round than it is someone picks Garoppolo before the 3rd round.

 

You will be surprised, Jimmy Claus dropped big during draft day too

 

Not to me. Sound like he simply doesn't like that kind of QB and is dismissing lots of good qualities about Manziel. Like I said, I don't care who they pick, I'm fine with either, but if this were a run away race like this guy is suggesting, we wouldn't be having this discussion. This guy is making bridgewater sound like the next andrew luck which he is not.

And you are kidding yourself if you think Manziel will drop. Just because he makes crazy plays doesn't mean he can't make any throw that bridgewater can make because he can. This isn't a guy like VY or Tebow who was almost entirely reliant on running and legitimately could not throw a football.

 

Look at film, STOP being a fan and be a student.

He was on the money about Manziel and Greg Cosell says the same thing.

Manziel is 3rd round talent hyped to the elevation of 1st.

Its not about making throws, Jamarcus Russell could make all the throws. Its can you do that in the NFL in a highly structured offense.

Manziel couldn't do that in spread offense that you could read the playbook over night and grasp half the offense.

Use your brains people.

Its Clowney or Bridgewater, won't be surprised if Manziel is not even on the board