bigtexxx back in action Brett Kollman is a film and draft analyst, he knows his stuff. How about listening for once instead of being against everything you don't like.
Maybe the reason why so many people think you can't carry out an intelligent conversation and have placed you on their ignore list is because you don't even read peoples' posts. Maybe if you actually read full posts and their facts instead of just labeling them as either pro or anti Bridgewater, you would actually learn something and be able to enchance your own arguments. Just a thought.
First off M.G... I said I rarely read one particular individuals post not peoples'... And yes I do read yours when I see them. Secondly _ they put those labels on themselves. They don't need my help with that.
You hit upon an excellent set of points here. Russell Wilson is succeeding despite his lack of stature because Pete Carroll has essentially done what Sumlin did: adapted his offense to mitigate Wilson's physical shortcomings. O'Brien would have to do the same here if they decide to commit to Manziel. This would require a number of changes on the offensive side of the ball in the areas of offensive line and running game. Ultimately, you want Manziel to be a game manager (like Wilson) and not have to put the fate of the offense in his hands ala a Peyton Manning. I can see him being successful if used this way but if they allow themselves to rely too much on his running ability, he'll be one hit away from becoming the 2014 version of RGIII who looked like a completely different QB after the knee injury robbed him of his speed.
The caveats 1. Is that Russell Wilson could actually run the pro style offense that Carroll had from the get go. He learned it in college 2. Is more controlled 3. Can actually throw well and make good decisions in the pocket There is a canyons gap of difference between Wilson and Manziel Wilson wasn't even that much of a scrambler in college
Not when pressure is around him and he has to get the ball out quick ala LSU That is majority of the snaps in the NFL
Yeah, people assume that Manziel cant throw and that Wilson is a prolific runner. It's weird. I don't think either is true. Manziel can do it all. Just not sure he knows how to get rid of the ball in a small window of time. Manziel would have been a better fit in Kubiak's scheme. Not so sure about O'Brien's.
He was injured. It wasn't his feet that were injured, it was his throwing arm. I think he should have been pulled that game personally.
Good points but we differ on #3. Manziel can make all the throws and can make the same decisions when scrambling. Remember that he had a huge safety blanket named Evans at A&M while here, that blanket is named Johnson. A lot will depend on how he's coached up at the pro level. The key attribute (as I see it) for a pro QB lies in his ability to process what he's seeing from the defense and making the proper decisions - within the pocket or without. Manziel has shown that capacity plus his work ethic, drive and intangibles are off the scale. It's only his lack of size what's giving so many folks pause.
That's the thing Remii you see it as a label and I see it as a natural course of events. I didn't have an opinion on Bridgewater going in. I only heard he was good. I had an opinion about Manziel. I loved his flashiness and heart and thought (dreamt) wow he would be cool to have. Then Houston lost 10 games in a row and I thought we suck, the only thing we can hope for is a decent draft pick and my first thought was wow we have a chance for Manziel. It was at that point I started checking out the Texans options. By the time we actually sealed the pick I had already looked at Manziel, Mariota and Bridgewater and formulated an opinion on who was the best. I went in thinking Manziel and came out knowing it should be Bridgewater. I listened to what other people had to say but always went back and looked for myself. I since watched a lot of other QB's including your Garrappolo kid but my opinion hasn't swayed. Yeah I am no scout and I do not think my opinions are absolute but this an opinion board and I just posted my opinion based on what I've watched. There have been other scouts that have said negatives about TB but when I read what they say it's mostly about his size and weight and frame. And mostly it's just BS. The people who watch game film seem to all come away with the same thing I saw but if they didn't I would openly look at what they said and decide for myself. Even after this last audio which I learned very little that I didn't already know about Bridgewater and mostly just reinforced my own opinions about Manziel and Bridgewater I stayed open. And in the process I learned things about Obrien that I didn't know. I always hated that Kubiaks system didn't allow for changes at the line and felt it was not fully utilizing the possibility of instant adjustments that guys like Manning were using. And to hear how Obrien's system is so sophisticated you have to be a savant to run it was impressive to me. And now to get that Bridgewater was quite possibly the only college QB that could come in from the beginning and run it made me more sold on him. This analyst didn't say the others couldn't learn it eventually just that it might take them 1 or 2 years before they get it. In all of this I never said you are wrong or at least about things that are not obvious (Manziel is not near the height of Bridgewater). I just have my own opinion and I trust it more than yours. It doesn't mean I could be wrong but it's not some position I am stuck on when the facts are obviously opposing. So you and others can call me a Bridgewater only fan but I prefer to label myself a Texan's fan who is excited we have a shot at drafting a great QB this year. That's the label that is true in my book.
THIS! HIs 2012 game was bad and is still the worst game of his career in my opinion. He was injured for LSU and Missouri in 2013
Against LSU? Or Florida? Either way, that was early-on in his career. He got better with every game as any freshman would.
I agree with you, I love Manziels drive and his intangibles. The thing is Bridgewater has those same characteristics (not as vocal about it though) same can be said for a number of qbs in the draft Its difficult to say when his offense is so basic compared to the pro style reads that Bridgewater has to make Manziels decisions are pretty basic and easy to make compared to watch guys like Bridgewater have to do
I was referring to LSU, but agree on the Florida point as well. ON top of getting better every game his Freshman year, he got even BETTER going into 2013.
Manziel catches too much flack for throwing to Mike Evans. Mike Evans is the NCAA's version of Megatron, he's a monster. Manziel exploited that. Now he's getting punished for it? Schaub didn't utilize Andre Johnson and he's crushed. It doesn't make sense to downgrade Manziel because of Evans. We don't yet know if Manziel relied on Evans (and a great o-line) or simply got the most out of the personnel (like Brady or Manning). It's not Manziel's fault that Mike Evans is so good. He simply got him the ball. Taking away Mike Evans doesn't necessarily mean Manziel wouldn't have been successful. And I don't it would have. Besides, Evans is a non-factor. I'd be much more worried about Manziel not having an elite offensive line that can buy him, literally 7-15 seconds, affecting his pro outlook.
Guys who like Manziel, give this a listen... http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brett-kollman-012014.mp3 Brett Kollman knows his stuff
Agreed on Brett Kollman. The guy knows his stuff and does a lot of film study. However, his criticisms of Manziel seem harsh to me. The offense Manziel plays in is built on reading the position of the defenders and selecting the best play to attack that defense: short quick pass, deep throw, running play, QB draw, etc.. I am not sure Manziel is responsible for recognizing the blitz as much. And yes i see these as two separate things. That does not mean he cant do it, it just means that he has not done so in college.
