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Is Jeremy Lin your Point Guard of the Future?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SF3isBack!!, Apr 28, 2013.

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How many of you are comfortable with Jeremy Lin as our starting point guard?

  1. Comfortable

    58.6%
  2. Uncomfortable

    41.4%
  1. Aleron

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    The Chinese olympic team issued a statement that because his grandmother was from the mainland he could compete for China, he declined.

    Of course to do so, he would have to surrender his american citizenship to accept chinese citizenship.
     
  2. New

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    Erh...

    What other criterion did you use? I outlined all mine in my post.
    Mine was: 2012-2013 season, averaging 25 minutes, guard position, Pts36 and Ast36.

    Your number is obviously using some different criterion.

     
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    This does not make sense. Where did you see it?
     
  4. landryfans

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    False, no statement what so ever, he was unofficially contacted,
     
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    Where is your source of "unofficially contacted"? The whole really makes little sense. It would be a huge humiliation to Chinese, and no one would benefit from it.
     
  6. kastuul

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    The stat. of PG and SG would offset each other.

    Joe Johnson is 5th SG in 2011/12, and 14th in 2012/13
    Jennings is 12th in 2011/12 and 17th in 2012/13.

    Their stat. drops because of their backcourt teammate, but both of their team(Bucks, Nets ) ranking get better.

    Nash can't maintain his stat. because of Kobe.

    He was 6th PG with 12.5pts + 10Ast in 2011/12
    and down to 21th PG with 12.7pts+6.6ast in 2012/13
     
  7. Aleron

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    My mistake it was their state media that made the statement (bastion of independence that it is...)
     
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    I think you are misled by the article you read. I googled what you wrote and all I came up was some second other website like CSMonitor claims this and quote Global-time's discussion on Lin's family tree. This is similar to what CNN did during the Tibet riot. Used a picture from Nepal and claimed it happened in China.

    Fact-checking is lacking in today's media. It should be a zero tolerance rule. One false news in a newspaper should just kill the newspaper, like a false claim in a research paper kills the career of a researcher.
     
  9. davek

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    Stats are important to a degree and should be use for other means but to use it to berate a player is foolish. I can easily forecast JLin stats month to month and make a so called "educated stats work" and say he's on his way to super elite level in the next season. *LOL*
     
  10. mesta

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    Wow. Why did you bring up Asik a all of sudden? When you are trying to defend yourself, don't make it worse by making new enemies.
     
  11. ThisVoice

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    You might also conisder comparing avg shot attempts hence to look at the scoring efficiency. 20 shots attempt and 5~6 shots attempt per game makes a huge difference.
     
  12. ThisVoice

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    Since people are so serious about data mining Lin's stats, you could also do a regression analysis on every game he played this season, if you can see an upward trend in all major catagoroes then he is improving and the future is bright for the Rockets. We can also wait for the next season and compare his standard deviation, that will show if he is becoming more consistant. You can also run some association rule mining to look at his impact on wining games.
     
  13. Air Langhi

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    Among pg who start or play close to starter minutes the follow have better TS%:

    Jose Calderon, DET/TOR
    Steve Nash, LAL
    Chris Paul, LAC
    Stephen Curry, GS
    Tony Parker, SA
    Mario Chalmers, MIA
    Darren Collison, DAL
    Isaiah Thomas, SAC
    Deron Williams, BKN
    Devin Harris, ATL
    Tyreke Evans, SAC
    George Hill, IND
    Kyrie Irving, CLE
    Randy Foye, UTAH
    Mike Conley, MEM
    Ty Lawson, DEN
    Andre Miller, DEN
    Damian Lillard, POR
    Kyle Lowry, TOR
    Jeff Teague, ATL
    Jarrett Jack, GS
    Goran Dragic, PHX
    Nate Robinson, CHI
     
  14. ThisVoice

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    Yikes, Jeremy better work his butt off next season!
     
  15. RoxDC

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    Lin's .538 isn't bad, though. Dragic shot a .540 and Lowry shot a .543 just to add numbers to the list. Calderon having a .616 is insane, though.

    For reference, Russell Westbrook, Jrue Holiday, Kemba Walker, Greivis Vasquiz, John Wall, and Brandon Jennings aren't in the list, but most of them are volume shooters.
     
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    It's not different, I did mine seperately.
    It was PER 36 (not 25 mins minimum but this affects maybe 3-4 people in that list). Only did Point guard position. If I did SGs AND PGs who score more points or assists than Jeremy, that list would be huge. Im just trying to show that Jeremy is an average point guard. Not a great one, not a terrible one, just average.

    You combined the exclusion criteria pts36 and assist36. So if some guy is averaging like 25 points a game but only 6 assists, he wont be included in your "list of 13 players" because he is off by 0.6 assists (but is averaging +9 points). Or if some guy is averaging 11 assists but only 10 points (rubio) then he wont be included in your "list of 13 players" that are only a bit better than Jeremy.
     
  17. lowlife

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    No.

    I don't understand why there are so many Lin fans. (No offence)
     
  18. iJHolmes

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    I'd rep if i could. good point. just because he's being paid too much doesn't mean he has to start. We took a gamble with him and it didnt turn out in our favor, we just have to deal with it and work with what we've got. im fine with him coming off the bench and playing against backups and 2nd strings. I think he could do well there.
     
  19. AVoiceInACrowd

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    Interesting stats, but I think your interpretation is off. Your list has him ranked 27th in points per 36 min. and 23rd in assists. I'm guessing this is out of 81 pgs that espn had listed since you included people like Patty Mills who outranked Lin. Being 27th and 23rd out of 81 would place him well above avg.

    Lin is a well above avg pg. Not great. Not terrible. Not average. But well above avg.
     
  20. AVoiceInACrowd

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    Again interesting stats. But context is important, especially concerning the OP's question of whether your comfortable with Lin being the future starter.

    Of the 21 pgs you listed with more assists than Lin, only 5 are younger. And only 2 have played less minutes. Also of the 21 pgs only 2(Lowry and Dragic) get payed less than lin's 8.3 million that aren't on their rookie contracts. The 8 million mark is near the bottom value for paying a starting pg not in their rookie contracts (I'm always curious and amused at why so many people make such a big deal out of Lin's contract).

    Having Lin, one of the youngest and least experienced starting pgs having an avg season (for a starting pg stat wise) while getting payed well below avg. for a starter that's not on a rookie contract. I can objectively say that I'm comfortable with him being the future starter for the next couple of years.
    No one can guarantee whether he will improve, but history has shown that young players almost always improve.
     

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