I disagree. Do not disregard stats simply because it does not consider everything. This is actually a philosophical question. It is only because we do not have enough data. If we have enough data, we do not even need a GM but again this is like what scifi do you bilieve. Check out the deep learning stuff google is doing.
while your at it can you also check how many other centers averages more points that Omer asik? or how many other centers averages more blocks?
Ha, I agree. On the other hand, I could not care less about what sports writer or reporters say. Why should listen to then if you can crunch the numbers yourself. Reporter will be a near obsolete profession when everyone is empowered with the ability to easily pull relevant data and create charts and social network because an essential part of our life.
What stats do you think can be used to decide whether someone is an average. I could not come up with better ones myself.
I agree about crunching numbers, but my point is, if those sport writers, "analysts", reporters (the same once that where initially hard and doubtful of lin's abilities and considered linsantiy a fluke) are now re-canting their position and saying that lin is a legitimate above average nba pg... why are other "rocket fans" still doubtful for their own PG?
you sound super angry that I showed that there are 20+ pgs that excel in areas BETTER than him. chill out lol and just accept the fact that he's an avg pg
Only 2 more averaged more rebounds Howard Vucevic Blockwise 15 Asik is one of the better starting Cs in the league. Lin is an average starting PG
First of all, when comparing starting point guards you should really use per 36 stats. A lot of those guys really play 5-7 more minutes than Lin on average. Also, you have to consider the fact that Lin plays alongside a ball dominant star in Harden, so his scoring and playmaking opportunities will be limited. Put Lin on Orlando or Utah or something and I say he's at least top 15 in both points and assists, if not top 10. All in all, he is an average starting point guard right now. That isnt a bad thing, because the point guard position is the deepest in the NBA. Whats going for his is that he's still young with upside. But then again, so are all these other point guards.
Btw, do you think Beverley will average higher numbers? No wait, but he has other intangibles, right? And Lin does not? And why do you go out of your way to try and prove that Lin is not good? Wait. I think I know the answer.
yup rebound wise he his elite, other than that he is average to below average... so is he average? just using your logic
For each area ( PTS, AST) there are 20+ PGs better the him. But collectively, only 12 are better the him. And avg PG is the not the same as average Starting PG
It's not the point he's making. It's the fact that he's trying to make a point against our own player. I don't know but if I went around using stats and made a point to diss Harden, Bev, Asik, Parsins, etc. I'm pretty sure that I would be considered a non-Rockets fan and probably downright annoying to boot.
The problem isn't that he is using stats to prove his point. The problem... and this is really a very common theme with people trying to undermine Lin as a Rocket's player... is that he is using stats dishonestly to try and prove his point. He's doing this by ignoring context, which confers meaning on everything, including stats. Ignoring Context? - Using raw numbers rather than per 36. - Discounting the fact that Lin had a very poor first month due to a mixture of not having been fully recovered from injury/new role on the team/first season as a starter. - There is little doubt that Lin's stats improved from month to month. Since the all star break his stats have been very strong. He pretends that his overall average is a fair representation of who Lin is as a player NOW - Ignoring the issue of Lin's role on the team next to a ball dominant guard like Harden. It's comparing apples and oranges. Ignoring context entirely when looking at basic stats is no different to simply cherry picking stats which suit you. It's a fundamentally dishonest method of argument and very common among LOHs. You also have clowns like Superstar comparing Beverly's PLAYOFF per 36 to Lin's full season per 36. So for Beverly he wants to use his 'best stretch' in the season, while with Lin he wants to use the whole season. If he wanted to be honest he would have taken Lin's last 2 months and compared those with Beverly's last 2 months, since that's who these players have been recently. (though it would still be an unfair comparison, and probably not a fair representation of how Beverly would play as a starter, but 3 playoff games against a backup pointguard and grandfather FLOP on OKC can hardly be considered to be a representative sample of data. Though for trolls like Superstar, Linsanity is too small a sample size, but Beverly's 3 games in the playoffs aren't.)
This ^. Some say he's below average, some say he's above average. To me that just means he's average. However, his consistency is something to be desired and his game is way too raw. Right now in the playoffs Beverley has the feel of a much more experienced PG, his game just seems more mature. That doesn't mean he's a better player, to me his his upside offensively is incomparable to Lin's, but his steady play is what we need at the moment.
Do most Rocket Fans prefer Beverly over Lin? Why not start a petition specially those living in Houston. They can petition the owner specially if that is what the City of Houston wants.
ok ok you caught me, since im an evil dishonest person trying to use RAW stats to purposely make jeremy lin look bad. ok ok ill use per 36 here is jeremy lin rankings which would show Points rank per 36 (since you asked for it) Spoiler westbrook irving parker curry wall will bynum (rofl) isaiah thomas deron williams nate robinson chris paul kemba walker Lillard Jose Barea Jennings Lawson Holiday Patty Mills Jeff Teague Goran Dragic Conley Knight Barbosa Nelson Mo Williams Eric Bledsoe Tony Douglas (LOL) Jeremy Lin- rank 27 assist per 36 (since you asked for it) Spoiler rondo paul vasquez rubio calderon tinsley wall parker watson milller teague dragic lowry williams holiday westbrook nelson udrih nash marshall lawson bynum Jeremy Lin (Rank 23) Rank 35 in PER (although I hate this measurement, some people like it) http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg Lin is an avg pg. Not great. Not terrible. Just avg.
