Nash had the better teammates, didn't reach the finals and had a few lame playoffs. My memory's not perfect, but felt like they had great regular season records and can't remember if they ever suffered shooting draughts like us. Anyone remember how Joe Johnson didn't want to resign with the Suns? I think they did a sign and trade with Hawks and the Suns ended up winning that deal the following year. Anyone remember the details of the players involved?
I swear if Spurs did not have prime Duncan and Horry, I am sure they at least make the Finals. It was like Pop and Duncan were too much for Antoni and Nash. Literally and figuratively. Nash like early Lebron could not overcome them.
MJ as in Michael Jordan? MJ had 5.3 assists per game for his career and only one season at 8 per game. He averaged 40 minutes played per game that year and the team shot 85 attempts per game. Last year's Rockets put up 87 attempts a game and this year we're putting up 83.4 a game. What is this 8 assist and "much slower half court system" thing about? I don't understand.
Their new owner was extremely cheap to him the year prior to restricted free agency. Thus when Atlanta offered 5 years 70 million, Johnson asked the Suns not to match. In an effort to not lose JJ for nothing, the Suns completed a sign and trade of Johnson to the Hawks for Boris Diaw, a $6 million trade exception, and 2 future 1st round picks. One of them would be Rondo, which they traded to the Celtics for cash, and the other would be burnt BBQ Robin Lopez. One of the great what if stories of the NBA. That Suns team with JJ at the two would have been dirty. Still, feels weird they didn't win at least one ring, as they were the team I was always most scared of playing during the McGrady and Yao years. I'm sure the JVG paced offense going up against that offensive juggernaut had something to do with it.
He had several seasons of 5.9 and couple of seasons with 6.0 plus. That is very good for a Shooting guard who was lethal at scoring. I see, you just want to get back on one single detail. Yes, he could do more. I pointed out how versatile he could be, just did not happen consistently. You are right, the 8 assist maybe confusing but 8 assist one season is exceptional IMO but I am not harping on that one season. I dunno what's the matter with guys is. I know it's not the Dish but not everything has to be about the Rockets or Rockets players. At least not every sentence or phrase. Greatness is Greatness no matter what team.
Hard to compare. Nash is a pure PG who didn't look for his shot and rack up assists by default for having the ball in his hands so much like many of today's scoring pg's and point forwards. Hell, even Starbury and Franchise would be getting big assists numbers with huge scoring numbers in today's league. Wouldn't make them better than Nash because you'd see the same low %'s and really high turnover ratio. With how efficient Nash was, i'd like to have seen him get around 20 fga and throw up 9-10 3s a game. See then how crazy his numbers would be. But, he didn't and he didn't give what the people like to see today. 40 pts, 11reb(9 of them uncontested) 10ast(over half of them forced to reach the triple double) 39%fg 20fta 11to WOW WHAT A STAT LINE!! TODAYS PLAYERS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN MICHAEL JORDAN!
Would have loved to have Nash on the Rockets, of course, but like many others, I think James is the better overall player. Nash was one of the best pure shooters the league ever had, though, and an amazing passer. They are so different as players that I'm not sure a comparison is useful.
I don't care who we're talking about, I just get uncomfortable with inflating the truth of players. People treat MJ like a god. He played in an era that was really really hard nosed and he got touch calls with great regularity. You could murder John Starks but you couldn't touch Jordan. I think his legacy to a great extent is owed to the referees and the league. They propped him up as the face of the NBA to make the sport grow in popularity. So to me, Jordan wasn't nearly as good as people say and to compare a 30 and 8 season to Harden's 29 and 11 is strange to me. Jordan was a great defender and an incredible competitor who got it done, but there have been better offensive players enter the game. And those new players aren't getting the calls Jordan got. Jordan was spoiled.
Well, I dun adore Jordan except for his scoring and ability to make clutch shots. But well, he was one of the players who could do it all and had little to none weakness. I got tons of Alltime players that I respect more than Jordan but I acknowledge who he was. It's not his Defense but his thing to get into other dudes' head and confuse them to play a lesser role. In order to give the Bulls a chance to win that game.
people are not giving Nash enough credit. I think he would have scored and shot a lot more if he played today.
Harden is stronger, bigger, more aggressive at the rim, more durable, dumber in decision making, less accurate in shooting than Nash. Other than that, they are about the same.
I do think he had one major flaw that might have been exploited some: Jordan wasn't a very high percentage shooter. He might actually struggle in today's game with his skillset. Basketball players today are super long and have quick hands. There would be a ton of opportunities for him to drive to the rim, but he'd find today's rim guarded fairly well. He had a lifetime effective shooting percentage of 50.9%. His lifetime 3pt percentage was .327. That wouldn't cut it on the Rockets right now. Our team shoots an eFG of 54.4%. You could probably argue that Jordan would have worked on his long game and excelled. I'd concede that, but the player he was would be difficult today. However, there are very few Craig Ehlo's in today's game. Everyone is a super athlete practically. The one team out there that I think he would explode on is San Antonio. With the way they play.... he'd rock out with his jock out. Also, no one in the league can post up like Jordan could. He'd be more automatic in the post than he already was. The problem would have been getting him the ball in the post. It's tough to make an entry pass these days.
You could also argue that there were better Centers in Jordan's era than those long, athletic, camping out at the 3 pt line bigs. Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Malone, Mourning, Ewing, Robinson....I dun need to say more. Now 6'10 Capelas or 7 ft Steven Adams.
