While I find it odd that JVG would have such a strong reaction to Charles, it doesn't really bother me that much since it would have only been a few games last season. I doubt Barkley would have given up his TNT gig to do color commentary full time this season. It would have been interesting to hear Kenny try it, but I have a feeling he wouldn't be that much better than Clyde when it comes to thinking on your feet and saying what you think. It is intriguing that JVG has such influence.
Sounds to me like he's just relaying info here. Some folks would agree that Charles could be disruptive. I don't think so. I think Charles' banter would be much appreciated, certainly by the viewers. Whoever had it...was a great idea. Someone (i.e. not JVG) is thinking about entertainment. Some would say all this illuminates JVG's controlling style, I think it also shows that he's got a bit o' child in him ... assuming that he's got a thing against Charles personnally for past, trivial deeds.
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. . . . and francis is arrogant and self centered , , , If no one knows. . no one can blame him . .. Rocket River
Why are you guys freaking out thinking that Barkley would be our commentator right now? Read the post...he said GUEST HOST FOR A FEW GAMES. Who cares about a few games, it's over and done with.
I can't believe people are asking why anyone wouldn't want Charles Barkley doing the color for your team. I love Charles as an impartial 3rd party broadcaster - he's abrasive and funny. But I sure as hell wouldn't want him doing my team's color game after game - and oddly enough, for the same reason. Barkley would berate Yao, the offense, the defense, JVG, other coaches, the peanut vendors, etc. to the point he'd be pushing opinions into the general public's head. And we all know that as funny as Charles is, he flip flops opinions and says stuff that is off the wall. JVG wants the team to focus on a goal and that's going to be hard as hell to do with a Charles Barkley around. It would've been a circus.
Doc...welcome back to info posting, and thanks...BTW - what plans are underfoot to cleanse redundancy on the roster (thinking about two (specific) good vets, but unnecessary 'clogs', perhaps).
definitely disappointing that we couldn't get someone like barkley course I guess it's no surprise that JVG hates his guts lol any other coach and it might be ok
So I guess we can finally compare Rudy's personnel decisions with JVG's. Off the top of my head, I'd say JVG has been doing better IF we don't count the 2 championship years (sorry Rudy). After the championship years, Rudy started making some decisions that didn't exactly work out for us.
LOL! I think people skimmed through that part. It would have been great for a few games, however. Man, I love Clyde as much as the next guy and watched him during his UH days with Dream and company, but this isn't his kind of gig. At the very least they need to punch up his mike. I can't understand half of what he's saying, sometimes.
breaking up inside the nba wouldn't be worth having charles or kenny as a color guy for us. i know the deal was only for a few games but if he liked it you never know what happens next. besides if charles would ever leave inside the nba who would play "who he play for?" that's the best game of all time!
Rudy wasn't making all the decisions during the championship years, however. The 93-94 team was built more by Steve Patterson and Charlie Thomas than it was Rudy... in fact, Steve's last moves were to draft Sam Cassell, and he and Rudy got Mario Elie for the team. The 94-95 team was run by Bob Weinhauer. He was the one who executed the Drexler deal. Rudy may have had some input on the CBA players (Chilcutt, Brown), but Weinhauer was the VP in charge... and he left for Milwaukee right after that season.
IMHO, Cassell was Rudy's choice just as Horry was Rudy's choice. I'm sure Mario Elie was his choice also. Rudy was a scout and he knew what he wanted. When Les became owner, Les gave Rudy almost absolute power, part of the reason Steve Patterson was let go was that there was no questioning or tug of war on the personnel decisions. The same reason Bob Weinhauer left. The Drexler deal, c'mon, that had Rudy's imprints all over it. Bringing in a local hometown hero, yeah I really see outsider Weinhauer having the pull over another local hero, who also pulled the trigger on the Chuckster's, and Pippen.
hey Doc, were you at the Rockets employee halloween party dressed up as Clutch the Bear? just wondering. I was there.
Weinhauer left for a better position (ie - more money), and Patterson was fired because Les never liked him, and wanted Weinhauer... neither of them left because they felt Rudy had too much power. Plus, if Les really did want to have Rudy handle things, why did he hire Bob in the first place after he fired Patterson? Rudy didn't start usurping absolute power till after the second championship. He was a scout, but Patterson still had the final say on both the Horry and Cassell drafts (Patterson was also the guy who brought in Kenny Smith, Otis Thorpe, Vernon Maxwell, and Carl Herrera). Also, by the early-mid 90's, Rudy was more of an assistant coach, than scout. Weinhauer played a huge role in the Drexler deal... Rudy had to give his ok to let go of OT, but he wasn't the one making the calls back then.
Nick- Did Steve Patterson also smooth over clashing egos on the team in '91 and '92? Do you consider Ray Patterson or Steve Patterson the better NBA manager? Do you think Don Cheaney had anything to do with the team that started the '93 season and the streak? Was Rudy strictly a figurehead in '93?
Read my post in this thread: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2057262&postcount=9 Is an assistant coach with the Bucks an improvement over being the VP of operations of a 2 time championship team? The dude saw the handwriting on the wall, and made a quick getaway. As I recall, CD was still recovering from health issues otherwise he would have been elevated to VP instead of Bob. I don't know how Bob got the job as he had no ties at all to the Rockets, but that maybe part of of it, Les wanted to bring an outsider that would not challenge Rudy as far as who had clout. As far as I can recollect, the guy was just a puppet GM who picked up the phone for Rudy as he was preoccupied with coaching the team (notice that's the way it is with alot of GM/coach relationships in the NBA). By the early-mid 90's he was the HEAD coach. I agree that Steve Patterson got OT, Kenny Smith, Vernon...especially Kenny as Rudy was never a big fan of him (anyone remember the game where Cassell started the 2nd half with Rudy not telling Kenny at all beforehand?) We're going to have to agree to disagree on the Drexler deal. As I still think Bob "who was that guy" Weinhauer was a puppet GM.
As I recall, if CD had not had those health issues in the early 90's, he would have been made Head Coach instead of Rudy.....
