His ego should have been checked at the door. And if getting benched will hurt his confidence or make him shut down, he has no heart and is not a true professional/competitor. If anything it should make him rededicate himself to the game. Sometimes a guy needs to be humbled. Hell his first response to RA when he gets benched should be "Thanks! What took you so long? I want to win and i was hurting the team!" That's a grown man, professional, and a competitor. IDK about your office, but at my job if there was no accountability for people hurting the team, it would eventually start to affect the performance of others. And get others fired/reassigned. And it wouldn't be personal.
I read your post. You said that Shane should sit. You said niether Ariza nor Shane produce offense, implying that they were equal on the offensive end of the court. You said that we should move Ariza back to his natural position, implying that somehow he would improve. I didn't mean to imply that you were a box score watcher or anything, but only a person looking at stats would present that argument with a straight face. I just respectfully disagree, and assert once again that Shane is a better 3, he is more efficient on offense, and that Ariza would still get and miss the same open 3's, and committ the same turnovers at his natural position.
Unless Ariza is traded by the deadline, I don't expect him to budge; he decided to sign with Houston because he was under the impression that: [1] He would start (which he has) [2] He would get big minutes (which he has) and lastly [3] He would be able develop into a scoring-threat (which he has not) More or less, Asking Trevor Ariza to come off the bench would be like asking Conan O'Brien to move his time-slot.
This is what I posted: Neither Trevor or Shane produce much offense, so it's a wash there, Ariza has his shots reduced by playing fewer minutes, and Chase has a chance to put some points on the board. Battier can sub for Chase if his defense is needed against the opposing 2 and Ariza is having one of his rare games when he actually scores points. Shane averages 8.35 ppg on 298 field goal attempts. Trevor averages 15.6 ppg on 638 field goal attempts. Neither produces much on the offensive side. Ariza needs his minutes reduced. While you might think you can compare running an office to running a team, I would ardently disagree. Handling all the diverse personalities that make up a team is a BIG part of a coach's job description. I think Battier is simply better suited psychologically to coming off the bench. He's more intelligent. He'll understand. Ariza doesn't strike me as a guy that would take it well. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion. I'll add that starting in his natural position, the 3, just might make things easier on Ariza. He has terrible handles. So does Battier, although his are better than Ariza's. Budinger's are clearly much better than both. It would benefit the team to have a better ball handling 2 starting, as well as one who can put points on the board. I don't think Shane would see his minutes reduced by much. I think Trevor would.
I dont think either are good offensive players and i really disagree about him not being a versitile defender. Go watch the rox v lakers last year when he ball hawked aaron and took him out the game. As for who should sit or start, havent we seen this record before? I mean we know shane cant dribble either and he needs alot of space to get a shot off. The bigger deal is this year isnt about winning or getting a scrub like big z. If this season was about winning now, tracy wouldnt bein chicago. Its about young player development and adelman wants to see the strength and weakness of trevor. Morey said on his defense alone is worth the mle. Morey also know the kid will take and make big plays in the playoffs on the road.
I think that it might actually benefit Battier to come off the bench. In January, he only had one game where he hit half of his shots. For a roleplayer who "knows his limits" and "plays within himself" this is pretty terrible. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Rockets had three days of rest before Battier's 6 for 6 performance against the Spurs. Battier is getting old. Even when he came into the league, he was never really considered more than slightly above average in terms of athletic ability by NBA standards. This might even be generous. He doesn't have the lift he used to, and I think this probably has a lot to do with his poor shooting this year. There was an article a while back that talked about how almost all outside shooters see a steep drop in efficiency once they hit 30. Ray Allen was the lone exception if I remember right. If the Rockets could reduce his minutes, they might be able to get 20 minutes per game of the Battier that used to be a +/- leader in the league. Battier fans keep referencing that article, but I can't imagine that those numbers are still true for this year after watching him play. I'd rather have him be a more efficient bench player than a pretty much useless starter. Starting Chase would give the Rockets another threat offensively, and that could actually ease the burden on Ariza. A lot of the shots Ariza is missing are good looks, but he's just not able to make them. Chase is far more active on offense than Shane, and Ariza wouldn't feel the need to take as many of those shots. (You could also make an argument that Ariza would be more effective running with Lowry off the bench, but I'm not sure how much of a difference this would make) In any case, I don't think we'll see a move until after the trade deadline. Things will be pretty much status quo until then. Whether Ariza or Battier is going to be included in any deal, the teams that want them probably want to think they are getting a quality NBA starter. If one of those guys is benched, it might cause that team to question whether or not they want to follow through on a standing offer.
I wouldn't say strart him, but I would play him more minutes. I would sit Shane given his ankle probs. Plus Shane is older. I would sit him in order to make sure he his ready and not worn out by the time the playoffs come around. So I say yes to playing chase a lot more minutes, but not start him.
its ironic that the same people that say "its a developmental year" want chase on the bench because "he is a rookie". dumb. play rookies now, taylor and cbud would be starting if i was coach. yeah we would lose but battier is not in long term plans hopefully and i would trade arizas butt for a 1 yr deal or expiring , i know cleveland wants him. but ariza will nix any deal cuz the rockets are letting him do whatever he wants. morey is turning into CD cd promised things to Maurice Taylor and now morey is doing it . dumb.
I rather have Chase come off the bench because sometimes we need some firepower off the bench. We can't have someone chucking up 3-18 FG off the bench.
You are right. I think everyone's point though is less shots and less minutes for Trevor. We all just disagree on the means to the end. We can put Trevor on the bench because Landry is our scorer off the bench and Lowery is our facilitator. Chase can take away shots from Shane and/or give Shane even more open looks. Shane's game suffers with Ariza on the court because Ariza doesn't have to be guarded. When the second unit comes in, Ariza is our perimeter defender and Lowery and landry lead the scoring charge. Even Andersen can get us 12 points on a good night.
On offense, you may be right. But he's an outstanding team defense guy on the other side. He's making a significant (positive) difference, despite his crummy shooting. Without his hustle getting us rebounds and turnovers, our fastbreak opportunities drop in a big way. I agree that Morey and Adelman have got to realize he can't spot up behind the line for us. I agree that his role should be diminished to make way for Chase's role to increase. I don't agree that benching Ariza to start Budinger is the best way to do that. No one had to be benched for Landry to become our top frontcourt scoring option. The more drastic the change, the bigger the risk. Tweak. If it works, keep going in that direction.
I think you are right here. And I can see it happening exactly the way you said. Especially since we are only giving an opinion on something we have no control over. But there is a point where you start to devalue Ariza if he continues to shoot as poorly and turn the ball over as much as he has. And Half of his turnovers don't even show up in the box score. What about those times he tries to take his man off the dribble, picks up his dribble after two steps, almost does the splits as he slides halfway accross the lane, then reverse pivots into a trap........ What about when he gambles for a steal at half court, gets beat, AB rotates to cover his man, Shane rotates to cover AB's man, and two passes later Shane's man hits the open 3? I didn't mean to turn this into a Trevor bashing thread but these are valid arguments why I think Shane is an NBA starter and Trevor is not.
Once again I think we are in 100% agreement on the end just not the means. We both want Trevor's minutes and shots reduced. You want his role diminished as he continues to start. i want him banished and sentenced to 1000 3's per day in practice for a month before he receives a green light again. I'm not saying my means are better than your means, as they would both accomplish what it is every true Rox fan wants. Less shots and minutes for Trevor. On the part i quoted.... Managing an office, team, or any organization should be done with the same fundamental consideration. What is our mission and how do we accomplish it? A business's mission is to make a profit for its shareholders and to meet and exceed customer expectations. If you have someone interfering with that mission, you don't consider their ego or the fact that they may pout. The team's mission is to win games. If you have someone interfering with that mission..... Ariza on the bench with his feelings hurt is better for the team than Happy Ariza on the court jacking up 3's and turning the ball over.
agree DD... that's something I've been thinking for awhile now. It's time to sit him and give the smart player a chance to grow. I don't see Trevor having a future with this team. He just never seemed like a Rocket.
I think the ONLY reason Chase isn't starting right now is because they need the Chase-Lowry combo off the bench to provide the offensive spark, which is ironic because coach probably knows that the starting lineup with Shane and Ariza in it is less efficient on offense. Imagine if Chase has to start and lets say he has a bad night. You then have to go with Shane or Ariza off the bench for the offensive spark? I want Chase to start but the way the team is built now I can understand it somewhat if Chase still has to come off the bench.
Agreed. If he doesn't have the heart or maturity to come back better than before after being benched he doesn't belong with this group of guys.
If Chase has a bad night and Shane or Ariza have to be our "Offensive Spark", we are in deep trouble reguardless of who was on the court at tipoff....
