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Is it time to start Chase?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 23, 2010.

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Is it time to start Chase ?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    No because ariza is stunting someone's growth i guess and adelman had a closed door meeting promising ariza to be the focal point of the offense.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Do you see him developing?

    Look, I get that it is a development year, I have no expectations other than to develop players that will help going forward.

    To me, that means developing Chase as he clearly has the skills necessary.

    My problem with Trevor is precisely his lack of skills, and I am not talking about time on the floor, I am talking about fundamental basketball skills like dribbling, shooting, passing, cutting......the dude is just really bad at a lot of it.

    And I am a firm believer in a meritocracy, play whomever is performing the best.....and right now, Shane is playing better than Trevor is....now does that mean I would not trade them?

    Heck no, I would trade either or both if it made the team better.....

    However, I am really worried about having Trevor on the books for 5 more years.....especially because they signed him to fit in with Yao etc...and right now...Trevor doesn't really fit with any team unless it has a superstar player.....

    And I am not certain that Morey can get us one......as they are so few...maybe 4 or 5 in the entire league.

    I honestly think we blew it on this signing......big time...it's impact on the cap space in a declining marketplace really hurts.

    Imagine if we didn't sign Trevor, and we had his $7 million in cap room added to Tmac's expiring next year? We would not even have to trade Tracy, just let him expire and we could go after one of the premier free agents with $14 million in starting salary.

    Ugh, it hurts just thinking about it.....Ariza was a terrible move.

    Where did you hear they had a meeting? As for the growth stunting, yes he is....all those shots he is taking away from Landry, Budinger and Brooks....they should be the focus...develop players that can play.

    DD
     
  3. choujie

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    You are exaggerating. Form what I see, Ariza is not a bad passer as SF, very decent to say at least.

    We haven't see Chase's draw defense then pass enough to make a conclusion yet. It could very well be, but we need to see more.
     
  4. Little Bit

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    We can talk about this until we are blue in the face, but Adelman will continue to trot out the same old starting line-up because he is loyal to his starters. Adelman and Morey don't have the guts to put the reigns on Ariza b/c he will sulk and make them out to be liars for all the "promises" that was made to him.
     
  5. Hball

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    I think they would consider benching shane before they bench Ariza, Adelman promised him a oppurtunity to play and improve his game.

    Adelmans probably afraid trevor would play even worse if he benches him, knowing he chose to come here for a bigger role when he could have gone to a contender for the same amount of money would absolutely crush his confidence and trust.
     
  6. LosPollosHermanos

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    adelman wants to go to the lottery because he knows a first roudn exit won't do anything but at the same time he knows this team has too much heart for that.

    So, in order to guarantee a lotto pick he tells ariza to keep on chucking.

    Rick is looking at the bigger picture guys, its all in the plan.
     
  7. Verbatim

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    Cannot bench Ariza. That would be a terrible move. This is not a "Win a championship year". He came to Rockets for a reason. We don't have to say it but you all know what it is. If he gets benched, it's for an injury period.

    If you're cannot see that logic then you best not go looking for any free agents in the future because they will never trust this team again. And it's not like the Rockets have a ton of money to spend.

    The man came here to start, and grow his game, he was "given an expanded role", he starts.

    It's like you telling your wife (if you are married) that you are with them for better or for worst and you bail the first time there was a problem.

    Any for you DD, saying it's better to NOT use the MLE on him. Can you imagine this place if last year, all the Rockets did was resign Von? That surely would have been interesting.

    I don't think there was anyone here that thought MLE for Ariza was a terrible signing. Was there?
     
  8. jae713

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    The thing you guys forget is that if Bud starts getting starter minutes, there's a good chance his efficiency could drop. More minutes equals more running around on defense, tired legs, and bad shooting. I say gradually work his minutes up.
     
  9. PeppermintCandy

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    I actually didn't like the signing at first. I remember in the first few games of the playoff series against the Lakers, Adelman made the surpise move of having Scola guard Ariza.

    Throughout the games, Scola intentionally left Ariza wide open at the 3PT line while not allowing him to penetrate, but Ariza kept missing wide open shots.

    Of course, he found his shot later on but still, he came across to me as a streaky offensive player at best.

    Now, I feel like I'm one of the few posters here who think Ariza's actually doing a good job, all things considered.
     
  10. summitts20

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    Ariza can't create his own shots. He can barely even dribble the ball. Chase is definitely more capable of creating his own shot than Ariza is. He even played some pg in the pre-season. It is time to start Chase, even if he doesn't do well, I'm sure it'll be better than Ariza.
     
  11. RoxBeliever

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    Coach RA is already thinking of tweaking his rotation. Tonight he let Chase play till the end of the game in place of Lowry/Battier. RA may be experimenting with playing either Shane or Trevor only.

    I was just a little disappointed they didn't set him up for more 3s. I mean he's in the game and hot, you have to let him challenge the defense. What I felt was we lacked focus in our offensive game in the 4th.

    I say start Chase and let JT come off the bench as the SG. Depending on the match-ups, Ariza and Battier play the SF. In that way, we limit their minutes and preserve them for the duration of the season.

    I say we need to play Dorsey also. He could have helped tonight put a big body on Brad Miller. JT and JD are on the team; use them if only to see what they could do.
     
  12. SageHare6

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    Chase can create better shots for the simple reason that:

    HE SHOOTS THE BALL SO MUCH BETTER THAN ARIzA!!!!

    And the guy is QUICK too. Like VOLLEYBALL quick.

    theSAGE
     
  13. Rockets Jones

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    First Artest came in and had his worst year shooting wise, now Ariza ?

    This I believe is influenced HEAVILY by the way RA gives his players all the freedom in the world. This free flow offense and take whatever the opposing team gives you can work but NOT if you let ego's like Artest, Tracy or Ariza take every single shot they want. It is time for some1 to tell Ariza to stop shooting the ball, simple as that.

    Yes, Budinger should start and definetly for Ariza, not Battier. Shane at least can hit the wide open three whereas Mr. Trevor shoots air. That way, his ego will get hurt, he will come down to earth and come out aggresive off the bench.
     
  14. rhino17

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    Absolutely it is time.

    LITERALLY, he cannot be worse than Ariza. Trevor is THE WORST SHOOTER IN THE NBA. THE WORST. The is beginning to get ridiculous, I do not understand how he has not been benched yet. he bring nothing positive to the game offensively or defensively.
     
  15. t-mac_#3_SG

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    Yes, and I would sit Ariza.
     
  16. runamok

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    I have to agree, I have noticed that when Ariza's mind is to it and given the signal to defend someone, he does that even better then Battier, just natural talent.

    I don't know where anybody got the notion (or data to conclude) that Ariza should be a 2nd option on offense to create, I just don't understand, somekind of wild expirement gone haywire. It just takes so much away from the qualities he is best at and capable of bringing to the game- almost similar to when Brooks looks indecisive wether to shoot first (which he should) or pass.

    Chase should definitely start, but if someone can get Ariza to change his role somewhat similar to Battier, then Battier should come off the bench. However from witnessing Ariza's Ego, the way he's acting on the court, its hard for me to see that happening. But from what I witnessed also- (Adelman's dislike for and dealng with Mcgrady's Diva personality)- Adelman can pull this off. But does Adelman see what some of us are obviously seeing? Valuable minutes are being wasted....
     
  17. meh

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    My answer: I trust Adelman/Morey 100%.

    Adelman worked Scola, Landry, and Brooks into our rotation/lineup at different speeds. Morey shipped out Alston for a perfect transition. I feel no reason to 2nd guess either of them. If Adelman wants Budinger on the bench, then he should be on the bench. If Morey doesn't trade Ariza to give Chase time, then Ariza should start.

    People who wish to 2nd guess them should read this thread.
     
  18. Hakeemtheking

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    Good observation. Chase needs to develop a swagger into him, like "you can't guard me", because he absolutely has all the tools to me a star in this league. If he can develop a killer mentality, that boy would be unstoppable. Good size, natural abilites, can drive, can shoot, and obviously can hop.
     
  19. RyanB

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    YES SIT ARIZA START BUD
     
  20. Hakeemtheking

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    C-Bud was gold in the one game that C-Bud started when Ariza was suspended. I think he can handle minutes.

    DD, there is no way RA will bench Ariza this year, after rolling the red carpet for him to come to the Rockets. It is just unrealistic. More likely, Battier goes to the bench if the starting lineup continues to struggle.
     

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