Not that simple. I never said I am AGAINST a higher pick. But I said even if we tank, we are not guarenteed a higher pick. For a small increase of chance in a WEAK draft to risk losing desire of winning is not something I'd like to see. Tanking is not what great players do, Michael Jordan couldn't bear to lose in practice, let alone a regular season game, no matter what circumstance he is in. That's what made him the greatest player of all time. That's also what I'd like to see from Yao and his teammates. Rox need more fire, more desire to win more than a lotto pick a couple slots higher.
Making points without hurling insults and saying I told you so? I have a question for you, if you're in a HS which doesn't give extra bumps on the GPA for taking more a certain numbers AP and Honor courses, would you still take those extra AP and Honor courses? If you go by the numbers, I ended up doing more work and got a slightly worse GPA than I would've if I just took regular blow off classes instead of those extra AP and Honor courses in H.S. But I don't regret it because the self fulfillment and experience from challenging my self and not taking the easy way out was worth more than a few measly tenth of a point on my H.S. GPA. Sure, I probably would've had a 5% better chance at getting into an "Elite" school had my GPA being a little bit better but like I've said, looking back, I'm more than glad I took those courses.
I took hardest courses and I aced them all. never was a question to me. there is little self-fulfillment in this case. We are gaining nothing. Yao isn't improving, the team may be quite different next year, we aren't testing Hayes and Lampe enough. what are we trying to achieve by trying to win games here?
Just checked. I don't remember I ever posted in that thread. Again, I never said #12 is better than #6. I said 2 more ping pong balls won't guarantee us a higher pick, and even the pick is high enough, it won't guarantee GMs make the right choice. I also said the draft is weak. Facter all those in, the gain by tanking is smaller than you think, and I belive it's not worth to tank intentionally, to lose the desire of winning and to lose professionalism. In reality though, even if we don't tank, we won't be able to win many games. But that's a different story. It's sports, not politics, I'd rather see them fight and die like men instead of acting like losers.
Eh, I'm primarily a Yao fan and I completely disagree with him too. I'd rather see Yao put up huge numbers rather than have him rest. Nor do I want to see the rockets tank.
please look up the standing before you post. Had we decided to tank the season when I got flamed last time, we would get #6. The way we are playing, we will get #10-#12. There is no "maybe". That is not a small difference. MJ was never in our situation, so leave him out. Tanking didn't hurt Spurs' pride or moral or chemistry, whatever you can think of. Those things don't just get lost because you make a strategic decision.
I think I made myself clear enough. I'm always against tanking. There is no "maybe", but there is no "guarantee" either. If you fact everything in, the gain by tanking is minimal. If there is a Cuncan, a Yao or a Lebron in the draft, you might gain a lot more by tanking, although I'd still against tanking, let the lottery take care itself. Unfortunately, there is none.
it's time to stop playing Yao now.. that's just crazy for 3 reasons: 1. we dont want him to get hurt.. 2. it's not worth it, the season is officially over..3. the draft pick, Minnisota did it before us, the benched KG and Ricky DAvis .. great tankers.. http://www.clutchfans.net/nbadraft/lottery/?4-10
there was a gurantee of what pick we can get. There is also gurantee that we have NOTHING to gain by playing hard here. I don't know what you problem is. We have nothing to loss and a lot (or at least something) to gain here. Are you telling me the #6 pick is not much better than #12 pick? Because had we started tanking last time I suggested, we got #6 locked in our pocket. That would be SO MUCH better than our situation now. It is a weak draft, but there are still good players at #6 that can help us immediatly.
Read my post above, I think they'd lose more than gain by tanking. Play as hard as possible is kinda like a habit, also professionalism. If those guys don't give everything they have while on the court, I don't think there is hope for Rox later on no matter who they draft. #6 is better than #12, but it's not SO MUCH better in a weak draft, 2000 and 2001 drafts proved this.
cheap talk again. I don't see Spurs lossing professionalism or pride or habbit after they tanked the season. You are too stubborn to see it.
The solution is simple: let JVG tank, NOT the players. JVG should put young players and bench the starters (or most of them) and make sure those on the court play hard. Just tell them if they don't, they won't be on the team next season or don't expect a good recommendation from him (I think he can't really say that, but you know there's way to get around that).
There is no Duncan in this draft. That changes the whole benifit-risk ratio. Also, I don't know if that's Spurs tanking or they just didn't have the talent. Robinson only played 9 games before done for the season,he was the heart and soul of the team. Charles Smith and Sean Elliot all missed more games than Tmac this year. Sometimes you can't do nothing even if you are not tanking, just like Rockets tried to make a playoff push without Tmac.
that is not the point. you argued that tanking loss you the professionalism, pride or whatever hollow concepts you thought of. My point is, those are all nonsenses! Spurs didn't loss ANY of that. How did a team with D. Rob end up worst record in the league? He played 6 games. And then they just rest him to get #1 pick. Not enough talents? LOL. Dominique Wilkins, Vernon Maxwell, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, Will Perdue, just name a few. They all seem VERY PROFESSIONAL to me.
Tanking from the beginning of the season? That's the most funny thing I've heard in a while. My point is without guys like Duncan in the draft, the gain is even smaller. SO the loss of profesionalism and having loser mentality weighs more than normal. That is to show you that you overrated the tanking. Then Again, I'm always against tanking, no matter who's in the draft. As for Spurs that year, Chunk Person didn't play, Sean Elliott and Charles Smith all missed more games than Tmac. Wilkins and Maxwell were not the same players they once were, Avery Johnson was a role player, Will Purdue was garbage who was lucky to play with MJ. That team didn't have enough talent to compete, simple as that.
A horrible season for Rockets. There is always a risk at getting injured, but that doesn't mean Yao shouldn't play. Otherwise nobody should play pre-season games.
you are too thick. where is the evidence of that? Can you find any from that spurs team? It is just a waste of time to argue any further if you refuse to address this question.
