Fred ain't going anywhere this season. He's injured, he has a no trade clause, and he's still owed another 25 mil next year. Now next season once he opts in to that 2nd year, the Rockets need to look into moving him. Reed will presumably be the permanent starting PG and there's no reason to pay that much money to a backup.
Yep exactly this. FVV will be on this team for this season. Any trades involving him will not happen.
Fred is not waiving his no-trade clause because doing so will make him lose his Birds rights for his next contract. Especially coming off a torn ACL, he's opting into his player option. If he doesn't like his new role next season then we have his expiring contract to move
If he opts in, trade him. I was told that the disabled player exemption means if he’s traded we’d get a TPE. If that’s true that lets me know the Rockets are open to it. If Fred is definitely out all year, and if he opts in, trade him. I’m not worried about the back up pg for next year when you have a chance to go for a ring THIS year. Fred’s biggest value would be as a matching contract to bring in a good scoring upgrade off the bench THIS year for THIS championship run. If he decides to opt out of his extension, that’s cool too. Maybe that indicates he really wants to be here and will resign for a lower figure to be a backup. But hopefully he opts in and we trade him and get someone we can use for this championship run. We look really good this season so maximize your chances instead of having all that cap space sitting there doing nothing. We’ve got no idea what next season will look like. Go for it now.
I think it's unlikely he'll agree to any deadline trade that makes sense for us, so it is a moot point. Next offseason, it depends on how the team did in the playoffs and what our biggest needs appear to be.
I think this lays it out well. He’s not going anywhere this season, restating the obvious. Next season Fred will be 33 at the midway point coming off a torn ACL. I get that he’s important as a leader, but if we can move Fred and attach picks to significantly increase our chances of winning a title, I say go for it. But to be fair, as long as he can play at an nba level, keeping him for one more yr wouldn’t be the end of the world. My concern is that he’ll be a diminished player. Can I also confess that I just don’t think any team in the west has much of a chance to win as long as OKC exists? It’s like the warriors era on steroids. I’ll just push that thought way back deep in my medulla and lock it away
And with the upcoming picks that OKC owns, they will be a juggernaut for years to come as long as they are healthy.
OKC is way more beatable in the playoffs than some believe. Indiana wins without the Haliburton injury. Also, don't underestimate our upside.
Then the trade isn’t really about FVV, and it’s about the apparent superstar we are getting back in the trade. The thread was positioned as a discussion around moving FVV, not getting a star player.
I’m sort of getting the sense that this thread is really about Reed insecurity more than anything. Like should the Rockets trade FVV soon so that when he comes back, Ime doesn’t bench Reed for Fred, and set back his development. That’s really the point here right?? Let’s not kid ourselves. Guys… stop worrying about Reed. He’s got plenty of time to solidify his spot and if he doesn’t do that in a way that makes it obvious he should start over a nearly 40 year old FVV coming off an ACL tear then that means Reed probably isn’t that good and he took a big step back from where he has been the past couple games.
The Thunder will be the favorites in the West for years to come, but they aren't unbeatable. And the Rockets will also potentially add some lottery picks to this core in the years to come.
The way Reed is rising, he isn't going to come cheap. I think it's fair to say between him and Amen - Fred's salary is a placeholder for money we will be handing Reed in a few years since Reed's first contract offer happens the same year Fred's expires(which is not a coincidence). Team Needs/Long term Salary Implications: There is a path where we trade Fred for some $25 mil role player on a longer contract and just go deeper into the cap to acquire said player when we are making first contract offers to Amen and Reed but I think if Houston is going to make a long term decision like that to go deep into the luxury cap, they need to be somewhat confident on what that missing piece is to get this team a title and we need more data on where the limitations are on THIS team because we have hardly seen Tari, we haven't seen DFS at all, and Reed is playing like his first 15 meaningful games of his career. DFS has a long term deal and is supposed to be Tari insurance....but is he actually capable post surgery? All of this figures into the math of 'who' Fred might be traded for. I think if we attempt to trade Fred, it would happen at the trade deadline at the earliest and more likely it would happen next year...but I think the more likely path is Fred remains as a backup to Reed for mentorship and a guy Ime can go to whom he trusts in those moments where Reed's youth/inexperience will show. In particular - I think this will be a very rough playoff season for Reed and with an aging KD, we can't afford to throw away a year of contention. Honestly it's in Houston's best interest for Fred to come back later in the season and play his way into shape so Ime has that more reliable guy to switch to if Reed's defense becomes a larger issue in the playoffs like we know it will. The excitement around Reed is real - but we need to temper that with the reality that he will be more vulnerable to be exploited in a 7 game series and may cost us a series. By that lens, maybe if we were to trade Fred - it would only be for another playoff vetted PG like let's say Jrue Holiday but Holiday still has 3 years on his contract and cost even more than Fred - I would think Jrue makes the most sense today but I think he is a bad contract to take on today unless you are sure he is the missing piece...or unless you are setting yourself as a team that likes to sign brothers (hint hint, Amen).
You clearly don’t know how this works. FVV is already under contract for this year and cannot be traded unless he agrees to it. After he opts in after the season he can be traded. It’s very easy to understand. The only way I think FVV would agree to a trade is if a contender loses their PG and FVV is able to play and assured a starting position, he would consider agreeing to it.
If hes able to make a return this year I think its a pretty easy decision to keep him. The workout stuff hes already doing makes me wonder if we'll see before we see DFS.
Welp... since Fred has a no trade clause - its totally up to him... Id assume the FO has had the conversation with him... wanting to know what parameters he might be open to...
Probably been mention tons and soon again when a trade proposal comes knocking. You know what you get in Fred. So probably a big no from me., are team looks good with no trades.already...
