At the very least Warrick should be included in the deal. Warrick is a player very similar to Swift so at least we would have a long, athletic body coming off the bench. Ideally, I would want a future first round pick. That way we could perhaps go for somebody like Al Harrington in a S&T. Offer Atlanta one or perhaps even both of next year's first rounders (our's/Memphis') in a deal that brings us an athletic, legit 3rd scorer.
I'm just kind of curious. Battier and Swift's salaries almost match perfectly. We have already tipped our hand that we did not want Rudy Gay and he was not even one of the Rockets' Top 5. West already knows we (Van Gundy IMO) don't want Rudy Gay. It's all out in the press as a done deal and any other contracts thrown in makes it more difficult to complete. Why would you or anyone even remotely think that we can gain additional concessions at this point?
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think there is something else to the deal. Even if it just an agreement to S&T BJax to us for our TE. That would be very good.
We are so disappointed that it's hard for some of us to accept that all we are getting is Shane Battier. There is nothing else to this deal.
Because we gave up Swift instead of Howard. Why would we have done that? Memphis doesn't want Swift. They would have preferred to get Howard. So, there's something else to this deal. There are either moves that are going to be made and/or CD has an agreement with JW to come back to JW and finish off another deal if one of his other preferred moves doesn't work out. I think we've probably got an agreement with JW to help us move our TE for BJax, possibly Damon Stoudamire, maybe Lorenzon Wright, or something else off their roster. But we are going to see what else breaks first, kinda like what we did on draft night with this deal to begin with.
Is there ANY thing that can happen that would derail this trade? In over 15 years of being a Rocket's fan, I have never really been angry at the team. No matter what bone head move they made I was always able to find something to get excited about with our team. But after draft night I havent been able to get excited about this at all, I cant find a silver lining anywhere. Heck, I like Battier as much as I can condsidering we just traded away a plyer that could be a star for one who will NEVER be a star. EVER. Please tell me there is something that can happen to derail this trade.
I don't now why you are still wrestling with this. It's over. The Rockets tipped their hand when they (dumbly IMO) told Jerry West who their top 5 were. The only thing the Rockets knew that West didn't was which player got fewer trade inquires. When it gets to the end-game of a trade, that's the player you put up as a deal breaker. IMO, West knew/felt he was already robbing us, was familiar with what offers he fielded for Stro and agreed. It's really that simple. There is no more.
West may or may not have preferred JW but is there any place for him in Memphis now? Swift PF/C Wright C/PF Warrick PF I might be wrong but I don't see Wright or B.Jax,or an injured Damon S. coming to Houston for Juwan Howard. Since the deal was Swift and Battier and all the Rockets did was pick Gay and send him to Memphis without signing him does that mean we would have to take only Swift back if Battier failed a physical? I do want to make it clear I don't expect to see Gay ever play a single game for the Rockets. I'm just asking this question out of curiosity.
Gator, I don't think its far fetched simply because all it really is at this point is a verbal agreement. There's no paperwork, there's no signature. All it is really is an agreement in principle to exchange assets on a set date (July 12th), correct? I don't think its outrageous to think the terms of the deal could change between now and July 12th. Jerry West is clearly in love with this deal, as he has already compared it to the Kobe/Vlade trade. So obviously he thinks he's getting the better deal in this trade and would probably do anything to get the deal completed. That being said, we should at least try to bargain with JW and try to snag another player out of the deal since clearly a 2-for-1 on a team lacking depth to begin with isn't exactly ideal. Now, i'm not advocating some kind of bush league tactic to screw over JW and make us come across as some dirty organization that other teams can't trust and shouldn't deal with. All I am saying is by JW including a BYC player that can't immediately be traded. By including this player that prevents any immediate deal from being completed he is assuming the risk that the terms of the deal could very well change over the course of the two weeks. I don't think there's anything unethical, dishonest or unreasonable by keeping the foundation of the deal in place but simply asking for something additional on the side to balance a seemingly uneven trade, like a pick or a guy like Warrick, Lowry or Alexander Johnson.
Deal is already done, bargaining is already done. West wouldn't do business that way, just dangling out there waiting for somebody else to knock out the deal. The only question is if there is something else going on with this deal that hasn't been spoken of because of contracts, free agency dates, etc. Both teams would want to preserve that kind of info from leaking knowing they could be penalized or it could affect the market for a player. Don't be surprised if we are able to use our TE in a deal with Memphis.
Here is whats going to happen. Gay will go to Memphis Stro will be traded to Chicago for Tyson Chandler (who has had interest in him for a while) We get Battier and Chandler for Gay and Swift. Memphis gets Gay for Battier Chicago gets Stro for Chandler
There is one possible addition to the trade that actually makes sense. We could negotiate with one of Memphis' free agents and add them to the trade very easily if they agree to a starting salary that fits under our TE. And the reason we haven't heard anything about it is because we're not able to negotiate with free agents until midnight eastern time a few hours back. Memphis would get a TE out of the deal, so they should be on board if they aren't interested in bringing the guy back themselves. Targets include Chucky Atkins, Bobby Jackson, and Lorenzen Wright. If we land Mike James then that would probably exclude Atkins or Jackson, but either of them could be a good fall back option. Personally at our price range Lorenzen Wright would be a good addition. He's the big body that we need to add to our frontcourt. He'll good for 20 minutes a night backing up the PF and C.
It would be great if we could fetch Lorenzen Wright with our TE. He's a solid player who can play both PF and C positions. Then sign MJames with MLE and that'll be an awesome offseason.
I like lorenzen Wright. He brings energy and can guard PF/C position. I hope rockets trade the TE for him. I think Jerry West will do us atleast this much favor after robbing us.
