Is it ok to propagate that women are inferior/wicked?

the female genital mutilation is NOT an ismalic thing, infact it is HARAAM, aka NOT ALLOWED, and if done should be punished...

i wanna see proof on that quote

 

They are called religious Muslims. They (the countries) follow the Qura'an (suposedly).

Like I said, they penalize it because they choose to penalize it. The U.A.E., for example, should do it as well according to the sect here but they choose not to.

For the MOST part, Muslims are required by religion to cover. ALL Muslims are required to dress modestly - i.e., not be revealing.

I can't really have this argument with you if you are advocating allowing anyone to wear anything in the Vatican.

Veils on the face are not required. They are optional.

As for the necessary covering, women have to do it when they go out so you're damn right they have to do it in the Holy City of Mekka. Jeez, non-Muslims aren't even allowed into Mekka and you are saying women should be allowed in without covering up? It's a place of worship a holy city. You know what holy means right? Besides, no Muslim oman would have the guts to do such a thing and disrespect Mekka, not because of the punishment here, but because of the punishment God will possibly give you.

No Hayes, you are missing the whole point. Covering up or dressing modestly is not forced on anyone. However, if you believe in Islam, if you have FAITH IN YOUR RELIGION, then you believe in your heart that you are reading the words of God. When God, your CREATOR, tells you that he wants you to cover up, then you will do it.

Now, if you don't have faith in your religion, and you don't believe in the rules, then how exactly are you a Muslim? At this point, if Iread in the Qura'an that I'm required to wear a clownsuit, I'll do it. The important thing is the faith, the base. Once you believe that everything in the book, whicever book that may be, is God speaking... Then who the hell are you to say "Naaah, I don't think that's right."

 

Sane, again, you're a nice guy, but you are indoctrinated it's not even funny! And to think Sane must be one of the most moderate proponents of that religion is scary!

 

Sane,

I have a few questions:

What are the penalties for a woman who does not cover up?

What are the penalties for a woman that has been unfaithful?

What are the penalties for a man that has been unfaithful?

Are women allowed to request a divorce?

Are women allowed to serve on juries?

Can women testify against a man?

How does Islam feel about polygamy?

Would a muslim woman in Saudi be able to marry a non-muslim?

Are women allowed to migrate or leave the country without the permission of a man?

What is the purpose of female circumcision?

Is it still practiced today? If no, how long ago was this practice disallowed?

How is Allah different from the Christian God that I worship?

What are your beliefs about Jesus Christ? Is He the Son of God or a prophet?

I know I said a few but it turned into a lot. Thanks for your openess.

 

Yes, but then things diverge because of the Sunni/Shia split... let's leave it at that.

 

The muslim faith is highly questionable at best.

It is blocking the enlightenment of millions of people.

We have free wills, but religion is there to take that away from people.

Not good IMHO.

DD

 

Now THAT is the way to attract people (especially hetero men) to Jesus.

 

Regarding FGM, it's not Islamic. Note how it's not practiced in Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country. It's practiced in Africa, sadly, where this is one of the cultural norms that once existed and blended with other religions.

Women's sexuality passed to elder male - yeah, sad, true.

How do you separate culture from religion? That's a tough one. How do you make sure the flow isn't culture -> religion? I believe that's what occurred, but to each his own.

 

Islam is the vehicle these lunitics are using.

I don't think Islam is inherently bad, but it is certainly questionable at best.

You could say the same thing about Christianity when the Crusades, or the Inquisition was going on...totally insane.

Christianity however, has moderated with the times, whilst Islam (at least as it is practiced in the middle east) is still lagging back in the dark ages.

This war on terror is a cultural war, a war of free peoples versus a war of oppressed people.

At it's heart it is about religion and beliefs, and that can never be solved by war without the other side being totally annihilated.

Just go to any party and talk politics or religion, it is a waste of time, as people instantly polarize.

Same thing here.

DD

 

If you don't mind me asking Sane, to what extent would you go in order to maintain your faith? Would you do whatever the Qura'an said no matter how wrong or right it seems to others?

No offense, but that's the same line of thinking that other Muslims have used to justify murder and suicide.

 

except that Sane is likely to say the Koran would never call him to do those things. that it doesn't call him to do those things.

not to put words in your mouth, Sane!!

 

Sigmund Freud says:

"The concept that best describes this thread is Reaction Formation.
Get some therapy and get over it.

 

Also, if anyone doubts that there are at least elements of this sort of thing in New Testament Christianity (particularly Paul's letters), one should read about The Gospel of Mary of Magdaline which was excised from the final collection that became the Bible for (among other things) because of it's radical approach towards the role of women in the Church.

 

The point about Christianity's history is relevent, because it provides an example that Islam isn't inherently bad simply because some of the components aren't adjusted for the modern world. To some degree Christianity has adapted, so to some degree Islam should as well.


Uh... well how 'bout this dude. Remember him?



I don't think you have a real concept about how women in this country were treated before WWII. I don't think you are really taking the situation in perspective, given that all of recorded history everywhere in the world to some degree or another, excepting mostly (though not entirely) the history of the US and Europe for the past thirty years has been remarkable for the poor treatment of women. Give it some time, approach the problem constructively, and accept that not everyone in the world is the Paragon of Virtue that you are.

What I see to a large degree with this thread is the sort of "dem Islamiks is bad" self-rationalising that tends to paint every Arab as a bloodthirsty terrorist.