Also just going to add regarding insurance. I don't know about Casey H's insurance stat, but a lot of people do a lot of dangerous and potentially unhealthy things. I myself ski and play martial arts which even though that might keep me healthy in some respects also guarentees that I will end up using my health insurance to pay for treating injuries from those and probably later in life for treating things like arthritis, joint replacment and other conditions from years of stress to my joints. If we are going to argue its unfair for eveyone else paying to subsidize my insurance then shouldn't we also say that playing physically dangerous sports isn't OK either?
My post had nothing to do with drunk driving, domestic violence, or any other behavior that affects other people. You are just being an ass. I'm also not comparing the people that overeat to the cannibals that overeat. The question I raised was one of personal choice, and how it seems that on this BBS, it is more acceptable to smoke out than it is to be fat. Obviously you are not one of the people that think it is not OK to be fat, but it is OK to drink. That is fine. I wonder how big that other group, the one that you have made quite clear does not include you, is. Now that all of that is cleared up, please go troll somewhere else.
Heck its more acceptable to be an alcohalic and promiscuous than being fat. I would like to see the thread, "Double Date Hell / Chic who likes to party and put out."
I'm not trolling. Being OK to me deals with what are the consequences. To me the consequences of being fat are mostly applied to the person who is a fata$$. The consequences of drinking are applied to many other people. This was my only point. I responded to all your posts very politely, this isn;t the D&D, so whats your problem?
These two things are mutually exclusive. Obesity=health hazard fat=risky It's not a clear line. It's a gradual thing. The percetage of bodyfat is correlated with health risk. It's not like obese is dangerous and fat is ok. There's a scale, and it gets riskier with each pound. So being fat and healthy is unlikely, unless you were obese and are now getting healthier. Obviously, if you have some sort of biological problem with staying in shape, then you do what you can. But far too many use this excuse and it's insulting to the people who have to deal with it, and it's insulting to the people who have a mild case of it and work their butts off overtime to stay away from it.
Whats insulting about it. And do you not think fat people suffer enough. And what do you mean by "have to deal with it"...if having to look at me makes you "suffer" in between your multitudinous workouts at the gym to "stay away" from it. Then I will try to keep to the back streets so as not to offend.
no Mr. Sensitive. He is saying that the people who have to deal with thyroid or medication/disease caused obesity are the people who "have to deal with it". And the people who just use it as an excuse are insulting to those that "have to deal with it"
I feel bad for obese people who exercise but can't burn it off. But for those who give up completely, they're only screwing themselves over and everyone else's insurance premiums.
All those injuries you are talking about pale in comparison to the cost of treating heart disease, diabetes, and other weight related illnesses. Unless you get injured all the time, it should not add up to the cost of obesity related illnesses.
You can't just make a blanket judgment that these people are eating up our insurance. I'm not going to whine about having to pay this much for insurance when I don't drink, smoke, take drugs, have promiscuous sex, etc., and other people do. You can't always equalize everything and life is not going to be fair. I wonder why the idea of being fat gets on so many people's nerves, especially when it involves other people and not yourselves. How you take care of yourself is your business, and it's between you and your time/ metabolism anyway. You don't know how it is to be in other people's shoes. This is getting ridiculous. It's like a room full of third graders making fun of the fat kid, for no reason other than being mean and immature. I wonder what is making people so insecure as to focus all their energy against overweight people.
Fat chain smokers also disgust me. At least with fat drinkers I could understand why they're packing on weight. There's tons of calories, but smoking? It's supposed to inhibit hunger. How the hell can you be a fat chain smoker?
I just came back from Argentina and its seriously difficult to find a fat person over there. Almost the same in Chile. There is a dearth of ugly fat women over there. Seriously!
That depends on how I got injured. I've seen people get their necks broken in Judo and their medical costs would easily compare or exceed someone with diabetes or weight related problems. Christopher Reeves became a quadraplegic from horseback riding and I'm guessing his medical cost far exceeded if he had type II diabetes. Its true there are less people who do martial arts or ride horses than there are overweight but the potential for very expensive medical costs are there. If costs is the matter then the costs of providing for longterm care for a paraplegic is likely going to be much more than the costs for someone suffering obesity related illnesses. To argue that we need to cut down on obesity primarily for the basis of cutting health costs then we would also need to consider a whole variety of other dangerous behaviors.
Eh, you are right. I let myself get mad and I shouldn't have. I don't have a thyroid or other medical condition that causes me to gain weight (although my brother who eats MORE and at least as badly as I do has weighed 130 all his life). People have a right to be attracted to whoever they are attracted to, but it seems like the only people who it's o.k to openly insult are fat people. And if people think I should pay double for an airline seat, because some damn airline oversold and tries to cram 3 people in seats designed for two, then I don't know what to say. If thats the case I am gonna insist they charge people double who have B.O, are white knuckle fliers, people with gas, or people who insist on talking for every minute of the trip or anything else that might make em unpleasant to sit next to,
