Is it not painfully obvious yet that the team is better without Patterson

Rockets on the season 5-man units per 100 possessions

Asik-PPat-Parsons-Harden-Lin: 108 offense, 108 defense
Asik-Delfino-Parsons-Harden-Lin: 112 offense, 108 defense

There's a reason why Morey's moneyball approach works. It's because he does things that are contary to popular basketball "truths," rather than hold dearly to such perceptions.

 

I guess that's how it works when you state your opinion as though it were a fact.

 

Basically TheFreak is pointing out that Patterson is better because he's been consistently the starter and therefore has better chemistry with other players.

It doesn't say anything about Patterson as a player himself. And the longer the Rockets play without Patterson, such "advantage" provided by having the guy decreases until it becomes non-existent.

 

One of the smartest posts in this thread. These other guys are writing long ass paragraphs full of nothing just to prove a point.

 

Rockets perimeter players were doing well BEFORE the trade as well. You act like we had this huge burst when the trade happened. It did not. We struggled.

We struggled in the beginning of the season as the team had to learn each other and a new offense. You can't include the first 25 games. When you look at recent games its quite clear 2Pat was playing just fine and our offense rating was not hurting more than it is now.

 

Maybe that's the reason why the Rockets are struggling now. Some of you guys been acting like Thomas Robinson, Francisco Garcia, and all the other new players been on the Rockets team since the start of training camp......

 

The big difference is that team chemistry is much better now than before. I'm not blaming Pat for it. It's just that the more a team plays, chemistry becomes better. Sometimes this is more than enough to compensate the loss of a good rotational player.

 

Good post, that says it all.

 

I found a site with current season RAPM, up to All Star break, not sure how accurate tho.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Q3MxN29teWJkRXByQ0theUZnM2c&usp=sharing#gid=0

Rank - Name - Net - Off- Def - Pos
139 T Douglas 0.1 0.7 -0.6 2361
240 Patterson -1.6 -0.4 -1.2 3294
295 F Garcia -2.1 -2.4 0.3 1623
417 M Morris -3.5 -2.4 -1.1 2930
435 Robinson -3.8 -1.9 -1.9 1953
450 A Brooks -4.0 -1.6 -2.4 1913

 

- The Rockets were 29 wins & 26 losses with PPat for a winning percentage of .527

- The Rockets are 14 wins and 8 losses with out PPat for a winning percentage of .636

That sir is called a fact not an opinion. Regardless of reason, the Rockets are a better team now than befor the trade. No explination needed and no excuses needed.

 

I don't think the rockets are a better team right now without Patterson. He was the best 4 on our team, and we havent been able to fill his role consistently. But it's clear that losing Pat didn't hurt us much either. plus it gave needed playing time and development to some of our younger guys. The trade was about the future, not this year. We're not contending this year.

To my mind, Our goal this year was to make the playoffs while developing our young talent. That's exactly what we're doing. Bottom line is Morey aquired a young asset that could develop into something special or be traded for someone special, and he did it while keeping us playoff-bound.

 

That is a fact with plenty of caveats, which I will name a few below:

1) Our schedule was a hell lot harder with PPat and Morris around. Do you remember that 7 game losing streak? PPat and Morris was around. Unless you are suggesting they were the sole cause of all those losses. (I blame kaitanuva )

2) The team was still learning to play together. They have improved a heck of a lot since that. Lin and Asik probably more than the rest. Heck, Lin alone has improved enough to turn a few LOH to the Light side. XD

3) McHale being away from the team, playing at OKC after attending his daughter's funeral, I am sure that affected the team somewhat.

At the end of the day, do you honestly think if you replaced PPat from the start of the season with GSmith, DMo, TJones or TRob the record would have been even close to 0.500?

Now are they a better team? Probably not. Are they set better for the future? Of course.

We would and should do the trade 10 times out of 10. Did we take a step back? IMHO we did.

 

What PPat gave you with a nice mid-range shot the team lost in every other single catagory. His defense is the most overrated thing to ever be discussed on the bbs, yes he always seemed to be in the right position but he never seened to be able to prevent the opponenets shot from dropping. PPat was very non-aggresive. Greg Smith, TRob, TJones all superior rebounders to Pat. While none of them know the defense as well as Pat all of DMo, Smith and TJones appear to be more effective preventing the opponents field goal and then securing the rebound than PPat. DMo and TJones both have more tools on offense than PPat with both having the ability to drive to the basket and create for others.

PPat did not foul as much. Great. PPat had a better mid range game. Great. For what ever reason the Rockets were not as good when PPat was on the team, the facts bare that out. If you want to say it was just a natural progression of the team and had nothing to do with the trade then fine, if you want to say it's because the scheduled eased up then fine, but no one can argue that the Rockets have been a better team since the trade.

 

Way to bait CH.


I think the team took a step back, but we needed to do something with Pat. If none of our PFs pan out, back to the drawing board.

 

Incidentally, these 47 games were also games in which Marcus Morris (our new franchise player) played.

In the 47 games that Morris and Patterson played for the Rockets:

Record- 23-24
Win%- 0.49
Point Differential- +1.57

In the 29 games that the Rockets played without Morris:

Record- 20-9
Win%- 0.69
Point Differential- +7.62

The 20 wins without Morris included:

13 point win on the road at NYK.
25 point blowout of MEM at home.
23 point blowout on the road at CHI.
Only win of the year against OKC.
Only win of the year against SAS.
Only win of the year against LAC.

 

Please tell me then which PF we have is RIGHT NOW overall a better player than Patterson. And give me the evidence. Don't use team record please because it has too many factors unrelated to the PF position.

 

What a hyperbole. The guy who said "Marcus Morris will be a star" disagrees.

Note all the wording you use. You basically say that Patterson LOOKED worse than the other guys but you have no idea WHY the team has a better record without him other than he SEEMED and APPEARED worse than the other guys.

It's interesting the Patterson haters have to use team records to "prove" that we are better without the guy and never bring out individual production numbers to prove their point. I think it is almost as PAINFUL as arguing that we are a better team without Harden after we beat SA without him.

 

His rebounding sucked. Smith is a better rebounder. There. Individual numbers.

 

Delfino and Parsons. Both of whom have slipped much more into the PF position with Anderson and Garcia playing more. And both better than Patterson. As is Greg Smith since moving to PF a bit.

 

Right, that's why Delfino starts at PF over Smith. Oh wait....