Is Israel stupid?

From An Israeli Peace Site:

Demolition of Palestinian Homes
BACKGROUND

Since 1967, 6,000 Palestinian houses have been destroyed, rendering some 30,000 Palestinians homeless. The Israeli government claims that these homes were built illegally, and justifies its demolition of them. This is hypocritical: In 3 decades of occupation, Israel has issued virtually no building permits to Palestinians, while construction in the Israeli settlements has gone on and on -- in blatant defiance of the fourth Geneva Convention on human rights. It is the settlements that are patently illegal, not the Palestinian homes, built only to accommodate their growing families.

Bat Shalom helped initiate the "Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions", a coalition of Israeli peace and human rights organizations, to educate and advocate vigorously on this subject.

 

Since when dictionary definitions had any bearing on political debates?

 

From this and the other link, I don't see where the settlements are replacing those homes. I know homes are being demolished, what I am saying is that settlements are not popping up in their place.

 

Sharon proves once again he will escalate his attacks any time there are serious negotations.

Hamas or Islamic Jihad will, too. Sharon and Hamas two peas in a pod. Of course Sharon and his predecessors did aid Hamas financially in its earliest years at the Israelis viewed them as an obstacle to Arafat. In many ways it is still Hamas and the Sharonies agaisnt Arafat and now Abbas as they still fight on for a greater Israel.

 

Well Israel launched a Apache missile attack on a street crowded with civilians to take out one man in the middle. Surprise they killed and injured civilians. Therefore it fits within the definition of a terrorist attack. Why do I have the feeling you already knew the answer to your question.

 

OK, the "ass" is silent but the "clown" remains.

I would highly advise you not to insult my religion. Not only is it not wise, it could be dangerous to your physical well-being. Let that be your warning.

I never stated that Palestinian homes were not being demolished. Your assertion that they are being demolished so that settlements can be built in their place, however, is ludicrous.

 

i agree it's reckless...but i don't think it's done with the same intent.

hamas has put bombs on school buses...intentionally trying to kill children...there was no military target there..nothing strategic about it...just pure carnage. just blowing up kids. I draw a sharp distinction between that and what Israel did.

there are no good guys or bad guys in this fight...they're all wrong...they've all gone way too far. so don't think i'm defending israel. i just think hamas and others take a whole different step when those children are deliberate targets. that's all i meant by that.

 

Yeah, RMTex...the next time you'll have to meet F. D. Kahn in the schoolyard right after class gets out.

"Let that be your warning"...priceless.

 

Israel has to take the highroad and end the "eye for an eye" approach.

Kill em with Kindness...or just show the civilians caught in the middle that discretion will always be used when rounding up individuals from terrorist cells.

 

no argument here. it does very little to make the average palestinian think that israel is really about peace when something like this happens. that's just the reality of it.

 

This isn't about an "eye for an eye." It's about eliminating terrorists. They probably do more harm to Palestinians than they do to Israelis.

 

DD..

You are being incredibly selective here...


In your intitial post...the one which, it is assumed, you were setting the tone for the thread, you yourself spent a great deal of it discussing, not Israel as an autonomous existence, but in terms of what the US should do about it.

"I am beginning to think it is time to simply tell Israel to piss off, and see how their economy does without our support.

We don't need them any more, now that we have permanent military basis in Iraq. "


You have repeatedly cited these events in terms of how the US should view these actions...and yet you feel that it is not only irrelevanet, but offensive to discuss our own particiaption in the very kinds of actions you are so vehmently condeming? Not to mention advocating foreign policy on your repugnance for said actions?

So if Jerry Fallwell went on tv, and spoke at length about Bill Clinton, and the evils of adultery, etc...you don't think it would be relevant to bring up his past?

Or is it only ok to bring the US into the discussion if it's in the " My, look how much better we are than these folks...Makes you damned glad to be an American." kind of way?

 

Then what is the relevance of us showing our repugnance of these kinds of actions by severing ties , as you advocate!?!?!?


You have addressed the issue repeatedly from the point of view of how it does and should affect us, and how we should percieve it. Explain to me how the related actions of the party judging the other party is not relevant.

 

I have never stated anything about your religion you idiot. Its ironic that my religion is insulted daily here in this forum and yet you feel that anything slighting an apartheid state called Israel is an insult to your religion. Maybe you should learn to read instead of throwing sarcastic jargon out. Try to make a point once in a while and not just throwing out liberal cliche's about Republicans and Muslims and other garbage.

And don't even threaten my 'physical well-being' you loser, you can't shut up the truth by insulting me. Just know that your little religious intolerant state you support is a leech on my tax dollars as are liberals like you with you policies of handouts and socialism and lack of understanding of any principles of economics or politics aside from your hippie garbage.

 

I was wondering when you would figure this out.

At this rate, we might even let you reestablish a settlement on our side of the northern border. Go ahead, MacB! Take that next step and renounce all your "anti-US rhetoric"! ... (sic)!

 

Don't you have to be somewhere, like waiting for your ex-girlfriend who dumped you or looking for a real job you loser??

 

rocketman tex and khan -- i think you're both misunderstanding each other...2 minutes in the corner! seriously, i don't think either one of you intended what the other perceived from your posts. ease up a little.

 

ok...incredibly uncalled for...that is just about the meanest thing i've heard anyone say here. there is no room for that, khan. that's incredibly personal.

i have to say...and not that you likely care...but my opinion of you just dropped like a rock.

(no..i have not been elected policeman of the boards! but geez...ease up!)

 

1) I have addressed this thread...please point out other examples of my derailing threads....Please.

2) So now I hate America? Man, don't you see how closed minded it is to assume that anyone who appraches this country in a different way than you hates it? There are several responses...from pointing out that a person who really, really loves a country has to look at it as a whole, flaws and all, and try to contribute to the country by improving the flaws, not pretending it is an outer experience seperate from human interaction that you just take or leave as it is....but my gut instinct is to tell someone who says I hate my country because I fight to keep it what it is, and better yet, that it's a hell of a lot bvetter than being a yes man.