Is is hypocritical for Palin/Beck to hold a rally at Lincoln Park on Aug 28th?

I can think of nothing further from Martin Luther King's teaching then claiming black people own Martin Luther King and get to pick who can celebrate his teachings.

 

I would like some proof that a majority of black people think Beck is racist and that a majority of black people are offended by this gesture

 

Now, if anybody here called the Muslims who want to build a mosque of community center "bone-headed idiots," you'd be breathless with rage. Again, I do not know what Palin's role is, but Beck's stated goals for this gathering are all positive. What is "bone-headed idiocy" about praising Martin Luther King and black accomplishments as well as -- for those of us who are believers -- for praising God?

While there is no comparison with a rally in front of the Lincoln Memorial and building a Muslim center at ground zero, there is a fair comparison with building the center there and holding a gun show at Columbine.

I wonder how tolerant will Muslims be when that "Red Eye" guy gets his wish and puts in a same sex bar next to or inside the mosque/community centerbuilding? He said he was thinking about calling to it the "Turban Cowboy," "Jihot" or "Umeccamehot." While the skit was funny, doing that would be legal but highly insensitive and in poor taste -- get the drift?

 

Mostly??

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Those same southern Democratic states voted Republican in the 1964 fall elections. The republican party that voted for the bill is in no way even remotely related to today's republican party.

 

You should retract that claim that black people find glen beck racist if you have no proof (a poll or something; asking your buddy isn't proof). Racism is not a term to be thrown around lightly, and you shouldn't speak for black people, at least that's what all my black friends would say.

 

Really?

That is hilarious. You really expect anybody to believe that you think they should be allowed when you refer to it as a "march on Lincoln Park?" Really?

You have also insinuated that you believe that their bigotry is contrary to liberty. You have spent time in two separate threads trying to backpeddle from that insinuation. I have lost a great deal of respect for you for this maneuver and the starting of a second entire thread continuing your desire to quell dissidence from your opinions...and then backpeddling from it almost immediately.

 

First of all, never trust Wikipedia for any kind of data.

Second, it looks like Southern Democrats and Republicans were in lockstep and Northern Democrats and Republicans carried the day with LBJ. Neither Party has any similarity to itself, but neither do regions. There is more racial tolerance in the Old South than in the Old North, i.e. places like South Boston.

 

Of course, doing so would likely not be legal due to zoning restrictions. You generally cannot put a sexually oriented business or a bar within a certain distance from a church.

Really awful and unlikely example.

 

True, but I trying to get Sweet Lou 4 2 to understand, in light of Muslims low regard for same sex pairings, how distasteful their mosque or community center might be to New Yorkers who lost friends and family in 9/11. Normally, these are people who would harbor no ill will towards Muslims but would be needlessly inflamed by being reminded of the Muslim terrorists who carried out the infamy. As I have said before, building it is their right but, by doing so, they are intentionally putting up needless roadblocks to understanding and peace.

BTW, the zoning IIRC is restricted if it is a mosque but not if it is solely a community center.

 

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I think blacks still remember the pain of racism and don't use the term as flippantly as you.

 

As much as I have disagreed this weekend with Lou, I think that if...

1. 60% of African Americans believe that opposition to Obama is race based, and

2. Beck has been opposed to Obama with the greatest vitriol and bravado, then...

It is reasonable to assume that there are probably a good many African Americans that believe Beck is racially motivated.

 

You don't even know his teachings. You think MLK preached equality thus was against entitlement programs. The fact is he was heavily in FAVOR of entitlement programs and if he were alive today conservatives would attack him relentlessly for being a socialist and a communist and a marxist and who knows what else.

 

Don't you think it is offensive for Muslims that they would be grouped with the terrorists? That the symbol of our religion is automatically tied to those scumbags? F that. I refuse to allow this thought to fester in people's minds.

Don't you think that the Muslims who lost people on that day would be similarly opposed to the mosque based on your rationale? Do you know how many Muslims were killed on 9/11?

Don't you think that making allowances for people to stereotype in such a way is the single largest roadblock to understanding and peace?

Clearly, the people you are talking about harbor ill will towards the terrorists, and Muslims feel the same way because we have lost so many freedoms because of the terrorists, so to oppose this mosque is to oppose your own value. The people building this mosque are fighting terrorism. If seeing anything Muslim is painful and brings bad memories, it's time to get rid of the mentality. There is no link, and this mosque/center will fight that mentality with respect, information and intelligence until such an attitude dissapears from the face of the earth.

 

So what? If I kill in the name of mercy, does that make mercy evil if my killing was malevolent? Intentions and deeds are not the same thing.

The message of Islam is not about waging war, committing acts of terrorism, or anything similar to that. It's a set of rules to live one's life and it is used as a tool of rule. If Islam was teaching violence, then you'd hundreds of millions of paramilitary fighters at any given time and large scale warfare would be rampant.