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Is is hypocritical for Palin/Beck to hold a rally at Lincoln Park on Aug 28th?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Aug 22, 2010.

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Is Palin / Beck hypocrites over the mosque?

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  1. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

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    Who isn't respecting the mosque rights to exist? Again i'll ask which Republicans are arguing the mosque has no right to exist (It could be some. I don't know all their positions)?
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I don't think Beck or Palin are racist through and through but think they play fast and loose with racial rhetoric. What I think makes them hypocritical is that there are many people who are critical of them having that rally at that location just like there are many critical of the location of the Islamic center. THey have argued that the developers of the Islamic Center should be sensitive to those views but at the same time are willing to turn a death ear to critics of their own controversial location.

    If they maintained a consistent standard they would choose to move the location of the rally.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    First off this isn't a mosque. Secondly there are several people saying that their shouldn't be any new mosque. There have been a few threads even here on Clutchfans on that.

    Also why shouldn't a mosque be where the developers of a mosque want it to be and zoning laws allow it? Keep in mind that several people tried to use legal methods to block this Islamic Center.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    Not at all. I admit to being not the best typist and occasionally make mistakes. That said I find it telling that you would make some sort of Freudian read into that as it tells me something about your opinion of Islam.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    Here is the link to the thread where this was discussed.
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=191258
     
  6. tallanvor

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    I haven't seen to many people on those threads claim the Islamic Center has not right to exist. Most people said it shouldn't exist but has the legal right to. You can disagree with something and still respect its right to exist.

    Any prominent Republican figures or pundits support legal action? Again I have no idea cause I don't know all their positions but it doesn't seem like many to me.
     
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    Based on actions like the Boston cop and the professor, many people agree with Beck that Obama is a closet racist. I may not believe it, but many people do. However, on the citizenship issue, I think you are confusing Beck with Limbaugh. All those talk show hosts look alike.
     
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    You can try to shovel the dirt off on me, but I didn't think it or write it. You did.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    YOu are the one though making an insinuation though off of an innocent mistake. Should we read darker motivations into every typo that you make?
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    By inviting them both to the White House to work things out makes him a closet racist?
     
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    By jumping to the assumption that the white cop was in the wrong without having any facts.
     
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    We both know that was damage control.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    This was what quoted in the original article of the thread I referenced.
    [rquoter]“As a mother and a grandmother, I worry,” Ms. Serafin said. “I learned that in 20 years with the rate of the birth population, we will be overtaken by Islam, and their goal is to get people in Congress and the Supreme Court to see that Shariah is implemented. My children and grandchildren will have to live under that.” “I do believe everybody has a right to freedom of religion,” she said. “But Islam is not about a religion. It’s a political government, and it’s 100 percent against our Constitution. [/rquoter]


    I do not know off the top of my head what Republican figures are pundits supported the legal action but it is a fact that legal moves were attempted by the critics to prevent the building of the center.

    I will agree with you though that I don't think this is a Republican issue as many Democrats also opposed the Center and many Republicans supported it. Ted Olson, former Bush Solictor General who lost his wife in the Pentagon attack, spoke eloquently in support of the Islamic center.
     
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    I agree it was poorly handled but at the same time this is not being fair to Obama and just letting your bias drive your analysis.
     
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    Same response as what I wrote to Thumbs.
     
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    Of course in the article you cite she says she wants a look into the funding of the Islamic Center too:
    [rquoter]"I support the statement made by the Interfaith Alliance that 'We agree with the ADL that there is a need for transparency about who is funding the effort to build this Islamic center. At the same time, we should also ask who is funding the attacks against the construction of the center.'[/rquoter]

    I also didn't see any mention of sicking the IRS on anyone.
     
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    it's okay, these freaks have made up their minds regardless of the facts
     
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    I think they are. Being a racist is just about what you personally think is about your actions. And when you act to demonize a group and lead people to basically protest all new mosques that's leading a group towards racism.

    As leaders they have a responsibility to take care with their words. People are listening to them and opposing all new mosques and saying that all Muslims should be guilty for 9/11. Palin and Beck are not fighting that, they are fueling the flames of hate.

    That makes them accomplices to all the nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric.
     
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    I think when you have Republicans saying that terrorist activities will be planned there and that the Imam of the center is in league with terrorists - that's a pretty blatant challenge to it's right to exist.

    People can say, oh we don't question it's legality but really just other things but really they are just finding a way to get what they want without having to fully express what they really think or feel.
     

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