Is Hillary blowing it?

Well you've already established that what people actually say doesn't matter so why should what you've said be any different?

You make ridiculous claims, you respond to everything, you take personal shots, you can't help yourself but to keep talking even when nobody wants to hear what you say (type), sounds like Trump to me!

 

So basically you are saying that you didn't know what you were talking about and now you are going to try and pretend like you meant something else in order to save face? Gotcha.

Try to be better in the future.

 

Nope, I knew exactly what I was doing. I was playing your claim that Gladiator is a democrat despite saying he wasn't and insinuating he was a liar when he said he didn't vote for Obama because you've decided his posts sound like that of a Democrat.

It's hard for anyone to get better on this forum when your garbage is the only thing to compete against. Hitting off a tee gets stale after a while.

 

Unfortunately I just do not see this happening, per to your first train of thought. A pretty big scandal will need to bring Hillary down, which very well could happen. She has the banks in her pocket which is a very formidable ally, especially against a vulnerable candidate like Bernie. Bernie needs to back off on his extreme socialistic ideas, like free college education, and focus more on righting Obama care and getting the college bubble in check.

I also feel Bernie will be a weaker opponent to Trump. If anything, both sides need to work from keeping Trump from becoming the nomination. Bush made his mistakes in trusting the wrong people, but Trump is the monster that everyone accused Bush of being. Imagine Cheney surrounding himself with like minded people ... that is what Trump will become.

 

Eh...I think Trump is more ignorant blowhard than monster. He may actually be a really good hearted person. A lot of people who are in position to hate him speak very highly of his character.

 

Look, I know you think you are being clever, but you are ill equipped for that sort of thing. A real, informed Libertarian wouldn't have voted for Bob Barr like he claims to have done. I mean, his story just doesn't check out. He probably doesn't want to catch flak for being an Obama nut hugger so he made up a story about being a Libertarian and claims to have voted Libertarian even in elections that real Libertarians wouldn't have supported that candidate.

There are left leaning Libertarians out there, I know that, but they ESPECIALLY wouldn't have voted for Bob Barr. You can feel free to be upset by me not believing his BS story, but don't embarrass yourself in the process.

 

Even if Clinton is knocked by scandal, I wouldn't be surprised to see O'Malley take the benefit instead of Sanders. Sanders might be more popular now, but I think the range of his appeal is sharply limited because he scares a lot of people. He's too apologetically and earnestly liberal. He's too likely to actually do what he says. O'Malley doesn't look so dangerous. Democrats may calculate he's more likely to win in the general if he has the Party's support than Sanders would. I really don't see any path for Sanders, even without Clinton.

 

If Clinton is indicted or something else that is equally far-fetched that knocks her out, the party will fix this mess by getting Biden or Warren to jump in to the void so they can still get a preferred candidate and then letting her "delegates" vote how they wish.

 

Are we even sure that indictment would affect Hillary supporters? I mean, by now pretty much everyone knows about her blend of incompetence and corruption and that she mishandled classified information and told others to do the same....would an official indictment for those crimes change anything? If you support Hillary today knowing those things, why would you stop supporting her just because charges were filed?

 

There's a difference between knowing that conservatives say what she did was a big deal and knowing that the justice department has indicted her for something.

I do think a good chunk of liberals wouldn't care, just like a good chunk of conservatives wouldn't care if it were Ted Cruz. That's the nature of partisanship. Certainly independents would care though.

 

I find it interesting as well.

Keep in mind that Hillary has a huge weapon that she hasn't outwardly relied upon yet, Bill Clinton. There is no doubt that he will be used to firm up support when needed.

 

He officially hit the trail a few weeks ago and has hit New Hampshire hard.

It may be that there really is an ideological war brewing in this country on all sides. The Repbulican party is further along, but that may just be because they lost to Obama and are now fighting the inner battles that the Democrats put off by winning two elections.

Clinton is a corporate democrat, a pragmatic politician and relatively hawkish.

This country is polarizing on both ends of the spectrum. If either party nominates a moderate and loses, I think their base stands a chance of rupturing.

 

It's Alveda King and she is the niece of MLK.

She's a pretty strong social conservative known for being a little loose with the facts.

She is certainly not representative of the majority of black people in the United States.

 

Agree on all fronts. Trump is a total wildcard, and I don't think anyone has any clue what's going to happen with him. I've underestimated Sanders - still not sold on his chances, but I agree on the results thing. Things will look very different in 3 weeks after a couple of states have actually cast votes. On the GOP, I assume a whole bunch of guys will drop out after NH, so that will throw things up in the air a little as well.

 

That's the right question. People say that Black people will not support Bernie Sanders, because why? He is liberal? He is an old white man (and not a woman)? Hmmmm.

Meanwhile, they presume that black people do want to support Hillary, because why? Hmmmm again. Because the Clinton's did so much for black people? Like what? And if that is what is important to them, what do they believe that Hillary will do for them if she becomes President?

Someone please pretend that I am black and explain to me why I should want to vote FOR either of these two candidates.

 

Ordinarily, I would totally agree and that's why I've been in the "Bernie has 0 shot" camp. But this election is just weird. We appear to have hit some kind of tipping point - certainly in the GOP, less so on the Dem side - where politics as usual is no longer acceptable. People have always grumbled about it, but when it came to voting, the establishment has usually won. And that may be the case again here, but it just feels different this time. People are just absolutely tired of anyone who reeks of "politician".

Absolutely - Bernie vs Trump would be a total and unpredictable trainwreck. The vast majority of the country would be voting for someone only to keep someone else out of office (whichever of the two scares them more).

Maybe this race ultimately becomes Biden vs Romney, both swooping in during conventions to avoid disaster!

 

What's crazy for the GOP is that the guy who could actually kill their chances of winning is Jeb Bush. If he stays in the race after New Hampshire (assuming he doesn't win or come in 2nd behind Trump/Cruz) he would be actively hurting the party at large by splitting the moderate vote in the firewall states designed to nominate an establishment Republican.

Bush needs to finish ahead of Christie and Kasich in New Hampshire if he is going to stay in. If he were to hypothetically come in behind Trump, Kasich, Cruz and Rubio, he would be showing extreme vanity/blindness to stay in. If he finishes behind them AND Christie? Geez.

 

Well those that vote, will overwhelmingly vote for whoever has the Democratic nomination likely 80 or 90%. The problem would be if turnout suffers. Neither Hillary or Bernie is likely to motivate the turnout that getting to vote for a black man did. With the lower turnout numbers in that demographic likely, it could make for some difficulty in all elections for Democrats during this cycle.

Of course, that said, if Trump is nominated, it'll motivate the masses to get out and vote against him. I think a Trump nomination could lead to whatever Democrat gets the nomination winning the White House and could potentially lead to the Democrats taking back the House and maybe the Senate.