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Is Hayes done?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Icehouse, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. solid

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    Hayes was bench player from the start; I never understood the starter thing. He is a great reserve, though. The starting lineup still needs work, like a big PG that can shoot, moving TMac to the SF, bringing Battier off the bench, and Magette as the starting SG. I can dream.
     
  2. ibm

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    this just summarizes this thread.
     
  3. durvasa

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    Again, that statement doesn't make sense. Logically, if you're outscoring your opponent then you are also out-defending them, and vice versa. There is no evidence that offense-oriented teams are better at "outscoring" opponents than defense-oriented teams.
     
  4. iconoclastic

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    I pretty much foresaw this happening before the season. Of course I expected Scola to do well, but Landry has been a pleasant surprise. I wouldn't mind it at all if Hayes continued to be a defensive specialist.
     
  5. blackbird

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    Not always true. For example, team A plays against team B. Team A has a better offense but a worse defense. When team A win, it is very possible that team A out-offense(outscores) team B, but team B out-defend team A. You outscore your opponent, that doesn't always mean you also out-defend them. On the other hand, if you want to win, you must out-offense(outscore) your opponent. It is not too difficult to understand, but I don't know why it is so difficult to understand. Aslo, this is one of the reasons why I keep saying "offense >> defense".

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  6. blackbird

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    There is a logic flaw in your statement. See my previous post.

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  7. northeastfan

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    Word.

    He isn't Dennis Rodman. He's Chuck freaking Hayes!!
     
  8. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    No hes not hes ok but not one of the best in the game.
     
  9. northeastfan

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    Bowen at least can make layups and has an outside jumper.
     
  10. jVgOwnsYou

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    There's always room on this team for an active PF with good hands and strong defense. He has major weaknesses on offense but he still effects games when he plays. Chuck Maybe one of the best players I have ever seen at creating extra possesions(getting steals, offensive rebounds, taking charges, getting to loose balls etc.) I think Morey understands the importance of this and Chuck isn't going anywhere.
     
  11. durvasa

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    You're not being consistent. You assume that if you score more than the other team, you "out-offensed" them; but if you give up more points than the other team, you weren't necessarily "out-defensed".

    I'll repeat, there is no evidence that offense teams are better at "outscoring" opponents than defensive teams. You guys are just confusing the two ideas: "outscoring" and "playing better offense". If you treat them as equivalent, then "player better defense" must also be equivalent.
     
  12. jVgOwnsYou

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    Really?Not from what I remember...Maybe the occasional game he would hit a few shots, but for the most part this guy missed so many open shots....

    Atleast chuck knows not to take shots and to mainly set screens on offense
     
  13. northeastfan

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    It's funny how virtually every NBA commentator in recent Rockets games, Yao, and Adelman all have essentially said that the Rockets are better when a skilled PF starts for us (sometimes indirectly and sometimes directly saying instead of Chuck Hayes). Funny how it took the Rockets until the season was almost over before we switched over to a PF who can actually make layups, outside shots, and have a post-up game. Um ... aren't the Rockets playing BASKETBALL. Shouldn't our starters, therefore, have BASKETBALL skills??
     
  14. ShadyMcGrady

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    Yeah. Phoenix's 4 rings to the Spurs 0 are a telling fact.
     
  15. northeastfan

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    This year, outside of 15 feet, he's 9/23 = 39% (see http://www.nba.com/hotspots). That's not exactly fantastic, but it isn't horrible either.
     
  16. jVgOwnsYou

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    While I think we do need PFs who can score the ball, we could also use a PF like Hayes who can defend the post and get to loose balls.

    While his minutes may go down , he can still be a valuable role player for this team.

    We are pretty set at PF now and I wouldn't change a thing about or current rotation at that position.
     
  17. jVgOwnsYou

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    Well conscidering how there's probably no one anywhere close to him on those attempts that is pretty terrible. Maybe Not Chuck Hayes bad, but Chuck is a VASTLY superior rebounder and defender because of his strength.
     
  18. northeastfan

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    Agreed. He should be a situational player (like Mutumbo, but more minutes).
     
  19. northeastfan

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    Yes, but at least he can shoot it. There is no doubt that Chuck is a better defender than RyBo. The scary thing is that BOTH were long time starters for this team. That should tell you how bad the Rockets have been at PF.
     
  20. jVgOwnsYou

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    It's been pretty bad for a while. jHO, RYBO, Mo(Taylor), eddie griffin(RIP)....

    ouch.
     

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