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Is Hayes done?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Icehouse, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. moestavern19

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    Creating a missed shot or getting a key steal or rebound is what leads to outscoring your opponents.

    Trading baskets is not something the Rockets are very good at.

    If the Rockets keep their turnovers low and their shooting efficient, the defense usually plays at a level which allows them to control the tempo and win the game.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    And both Landry and Scola do that too....as well as score the ball.

    DD
     
  3. moestavern19

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    They aren't liabilities, but Hayes is a smart defender who can force a shot alter or swipe the ball away and create a fast break. I agree with him being moved into a defensive specialist role and agree with Scola and Landry being the first 2 bigs off the bench, but Chuck still does serve a purpose and is a valuable asset if we're getting killed down low or need a key stop late in the game.
     
  4. TeamUSA

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    same thought here.
     
  5. Dave_78

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    Hayes is the only guy on this squad that Boozer even notices defensively. Scola is getting better but he isn't strong enough or quick enough to bother Boozer.

    I guess we will have to wait for the playoffs to find out.
     
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    Hayes isn't even close to being the defensive stopper that Bruce Bowen is for the Spurs.
     
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    Many fans here are so *******. I don't know how to describe them in a nice way. No wonder the Rocket fans are the quietest (=worst) in NBA. Even ignore what a hard worker and a nice person Hayes is and what a legendary story he sneaked in NBA and how much he contributed to this franchise last couple of years, Just look at the WC, The power forwards do have powers. Look at them, TD, Dick, Amare, Gasol, Al J, Brand, Martin/Nene, West, Boozer, these are a bunch of 20-10 guys with powers. Can landry hold them defensively? The headless chicken (landry described himself) still make a lot of mistakes on defense rotation.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Huh?

    Isn't he still getting paid?

    No one is kicking his dog, just saying others are more valuable on the floor.

    SHEESH !

    DD
     
  9. bjshot

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    Hayes is not only smart, but also very strong. The reporter said Hayes is the strongest in the team, even more powerful than Yao. That's why he can hold his position down low and push the opposite out of position. He is also very good at team defense. He also improved a lot decrease bonehead fouls this season.
     
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    Hayes shouldnt be delusional that he should be a starter or he should play 20 minutes per game. I hope Hayes will be a good soldier and do his job when his number is called.
     
  11. moestavern19

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    uh... Bruce Bowen is an on-ball perimeter defender.

    Chuck Hayes has to deal with guys 4 inches taller than him posting him up.

    How about you come back to this thread when you've learned something about basketball?
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Also Bowen can hit a shot.....and spreads the floor on offense......AND hits freethrows too.

    :D

    DD
     
  13. moestavern19

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    You mean like that season he was shooting a better percentage from the 3 point line than he was from the Free Throw line? :rolleyes:

    Bowen is the 5th option on that team even with Oberto or Elson in and only shoots when the defense is drawn in because of Duncan or Parker/Ginobili driving and he has an open 3.

    Besides, I'm arguing about the abilities of Chuck as a defender, because Lord knows his offense is.... offensive.
     
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    And yet, would any of us want him on the Rockets? I can't see myself cheering for him.

    My two cents: people tend to see offensive ability as a wide spectrum from little ability to great ability and anywhere in between. By contrast, fans tend to view defense as something that a player can or can't do, which is far from the truth. Beyond the fact that there are many different kinds of defensive abilities, these fall into just as wide a spectrum as offense.

    People are mistaken when they see Landry or Scola grab a rebound or draw a charge and declare that they can do everything Hayes can do. Chuck is really an incredible defender, able to more than hold his own against bigs, effectively switch onto guards, draw tons of charges with great help defense, and get possession of loose balls and rebounds that don't appear at all attainable until he gets them. It's true that Landry and Scola's scoring ability makes them more valuable on the offensive end, but to say that there's nothing Chuck brings that they don't really is incorrect.
     
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    Hayes has a lot of good qualities but I think the coaching staff might be weighing the good against the bad. Chuck is foul prone and misses a lot of layups. His free throws, also not so good.

    I like the guy, but he is trade bait....not a "save us from the luxury tax" trade, like moving Snyder would be, but as the piece of a larger trade that makes the team better.

    Otherwise? Mostly a cheerleader. Plays much more than Deke (which is never), but less than our rookies (which is most of the time).
     
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    I'm not understanding that statement. If you outscore your opponent, that means you also out-defended them, and vice versa. Scoring and defending are compliments of eachother.
     
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    Good coaching values defense and offense but the goal is still to outscore your opponent. Not play beautiful flawless defense.
     
  18. nokidding

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    and Spurs
    and all the other teams who have a decent PF.
    None of these five teams we last played has any good PFs.
    the Cavs lost their real PFs yesterday. that is why Chuck didn't paly much.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Chuck Hayes against the Spurs

    18 minutes played 0-6 shooting and 8 rebounds

    And this was before he dropped out of the rotation.

    To be fair Scola and Landy didn't do too much that game either...but in the previous game HERE Luis went off on 10-11 shooting...and Chuck only played 13 minutes.

    Even in the first game Chuck only played 20 minutes.

    Anyone who thinks Hayes is going to be a major contributor to the reglar rotation (Barring injury) is dilluding themselves.

    He was a stop gap measure, whose time passed him by......

    DD
     
  20. Air Langhi

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    If it were JVG he might disagree. Chuck has is not that good. You got to be able to hit layups and freethrows. All that takes is practice. I don't care how much you hustle if you can't do those two things.
     

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