Hmmm. Interesting. Where does Martin rank offensively among the second group? The second group isn't a bad group to be in...they're either borderline all-stars or former all-stars.
I think the only situation that giving up Kevin Martin would be acceptable is if we get a superstar in return just because of how hard they are to come by. It's like Morey said, only make a deal if it is improving the team, which is a pretty tough thing to do with the our current squad. Trading Martin for a superstar is an improvement IMO. Besides, worst case scenario, AB can play the 2 and having the league's leading three point shooter at the two is a damn good worst case scenario :grin:
Man, Granger helped me win 2 straight championships! And kmarts not going anywhere.. we finally got him and he played great in his time with us, he was definitely my fav player to watch last year.
lol. your funny. i mean you barely began posting, and you already think you know what im about, your one of the newest rookies. and have you seen your sig?? you put andre igoudala with our current roster, do we get him for free, cause you didnt give up anyone. lol. you are an idiot dude.
Umm... Kevin Martin is ridiculously cheap at 3yrs with about $33 mil left. He is basically Amare at shooting guard, except SGs don't matter as much on defense. This is especially true with the Rockets, since we have a quality wing defender playing with him. Martin may not be worth the max, but I see no reason why he wouldn't get close to Boozer money(5yrs/$80 mil) on the market this offseason.
Pierce and most of all Joe Johnson shouldn't belong in the 1st tier. Pierce at his prime belonged on the first tier but not anymore, as Artest of all people sent him crying the entire finals. JJ is a lot worse than Ray Allen, Iggy, Granger, Martin and Ginobili. I don't know what most people see in him, he's indeed a two-way player but he scoring isn't anywhere near "elite". In fact, I'd say he's nothing more than an assertive Battier. Very cerebral offensive and defensive player, however he lacks the physical tools to hang with the best. Look at his disappearance come playoff time. And Rudy Gay shouldn't even be in 2nd tier, are you kidding me? He isn't even the best wingman on their team.
Good call. Like Amare KM sucks at D, and like Amare you can count on him to score efficiently. However they differ in that KM can create his own shot, while Amare relies on Nash to create for him 90% of the time (10% he relies on their backup pg). Offensively, when 100% healthy KM can hang with the best in NBA history, as his stats have shown him as one of the most efficient players of all time. The best part I like about him is he doesn't mind flopping like a fish, so even if he encounters all NBA lockdown defenders who make life miserable for him, he'll just flop and draw the foul. Basically, offensively prime KM is pretty much unstoppable :grin:
There's no question players like LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Durant and Roy are better. But I've just been looking at Martin's player profile; he made 21.3 ppg with us last season despite shooting only 31 percent from the three-point line. His average is 38 percent. If he can get that up to his average again, he'll be scoring somewhere around 24/25 ppg! And, honestly, his defense is not great, but it's not that bad either, and his ability to get to the free throw line which not many players have compensates that, in my opinion. I would keep Martin, but saying he is "untouchable".... no. If something with CP3 or Melo can happen, you have to think about what's best for the team.
Why is Martin's defense poor or not great? Is it something he can improve with our coaches? There have been players that diddn't start out playing great defense, but eventually developed into pretty good defensive players...
I think keeping Martin is obviously the preference, but saying he's untouchable is a bit much. He definitely hasnt done anything up till now to credit a 'untouchable' designation. I personally feel we havent seen him at top form as of yet, but hopefully we'll see him at his peak next season.
Main weaknesses are his defensive intensity, lack of bulk and positioning. Guy is a stick. From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Martin-3450/ http://www.draftexpress.com
You, and many others here, are unable to distinguish between "absolute untouchable" and "effectively untouchable".Of course Martin isn't 100% untouchable. If the Lakers called us and offered Kobe for Martin plus other stuff, Morey would not say no. But that's only dealing with scenarios that would never, ever happen. Realistically, if a team is willing to trade a superstar that's a step up from Martin, then it's incredibly unlikely that they'd ask the Rockets to include Martin in the deal. Martin is more valuable to the Rockets, who rate him highly due to his efficiency, than normal, badly run franchises. The Rockets also have Yao, which raises the effectiveness of Martin. Whereas Martin on an also-ran team, obviously the case of any team that trade away their star, would just be another scorer on a bad team. Case in point, his days with Sacramento before coming here. So no, Martin is not untouchable. But there's almost no realistic scenario where we'd have to trade him. Any rebuilding team is much more likely to be enamored with other pieces like 1st rounders, Hill, Patterson, Budinger, Brooks, etc. Rather than a 27 yr old pure shooter.
You have to WANT to play defense. In today's no-contact league, KM's quickness will allow him to guard even the best shooting guards in the league (see Ray Allen's awesome D on Kobe during the finals), however it seems like he doesn't want to do it. He isn't a defensive liability like Amare, but he'll never be better than average defensively.
"ridiculously" cheap is a bit of an over-exaggeration IMO. Concerning what he command in the open market right now, I would use "relatively" cheap, if at all. Maybe it's just me, but when you start making double digit yearly salary, I'm expecting you to be adequate on both sides of the ball. But that's just my personal worth scale and NBA GMs are sometimes have to overpay because there is a huge drop off in alternative choices, thereby making someone like Martin even more desirable.
do u see ariza?? I don't!! I'm not a rookie bro!! Over 200 posts and counting!! And u don't even know me so DONT call me an idiot!!
