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Is Donald Trump finished?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaleDoback, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. Nook

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    Ok?

    Al Franken was a comedian in 2000 and not running for President.

    If it is alright for people to point at Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and call them race baiters and associate them as representative of the black community... Which I have read on these boards, heard Fox News and Limbaugh and Hannity all say it.... Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong for minorities to point at Trump and say he is the personification of wealthy entitled white men???
    He was born extremely wealthy. He filed bankruptcy. He is extremely arrogant with a trophy wife, he is ignorant speaking about minority groups... Was a birther and has no real redeeming qualifications other than being wealthy and thinks that makes him qualified to be President.
     
  2. glynch

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    Why would this remark be so much different from many others?

    Well, I suppose under the theory that being racist is par for the course for GOP nominees but insulting a guy who never met an opportunity for a possible war that did not excite him is beyond the pale.
     
  3. Nook

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    I agree with you and is often the case, a trait can be double sided.
     
  4. Newlin

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    No, he did not have to serve because he had a bone spur on one of his feet. He can't remember which foot it was that had the bone spur. It was either his left foot or his right foot. It's in the records he says.
     
  5. Dubious

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    For people of the Vietnam and post Vietnam era, there was no patriotism about joining the services.
     
  6. Nook

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    First, it was a big deal when he made the comments he did about Mexicans. It was one of the lead stories on the news for days and there was fallout and protests.

    So why would this potentially ruin his campaign? He is running as a Republican and many conservatives do not exactly like Mexico, illegal aliens or immigration. So they either can overlook what he said or flat out agree with him.

    However many conservatives are pro-military and pro-veteran (in words at least but not tangible help) so the thought being it will be hard for Republicans to overlook what Trump said about a conservative 80 year old vet that was tortured in a POW camp for years.
     
  7. Nook

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    I am in my late 30's and there was no Patriotism for my generation... You joined because your family did or because you had nothing better to do. This recent Patriotism is all post 9/11.
     
  8. basso

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    on espoirs.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Thats him backtracking after everyone attacked him.

    What he was trying to say is that a war hero charges into battle and dies fighting like they do in the movies. The whole idea of "heroism" is somewhat silly in that regard. Anyone who serves their country is a hero as far as most people are concerned. But truly, we think of the great heroes as the ones who take the biggest risks and are the biggest bad asses. Being a POW isn't exactly the later. So on that point I can see what Trump was saying.

    There's at least a rationale to it than denigrating the entire population of Mexicans.
     
  10. Remii

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    Despite the talking heads in the mainstream media... This will not hurt Trump.
     
  11. Nook

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    No.

    He spent years in a POW camp and did not cooperate with the VC or provide sensitive information even when it resulted in torture.

    It was a dumb thing to say.... just like what he said about Mexico was dumb. He can get away with it in his personal life because he is extremely wealthy and entitled. Running for President is a different matter... If he is smart enough to call out other candidates and run for the highest elected office, he is smart enough to not go week to week saying something else really stupid.... Not sure if black folks, women or maybe the under 30 crowd gets his next barb... Maybe he goes after the poor.
     
  12. Nook

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    You are probably right.

    I don't consider him a serious candidate but maybe I am naive.
     
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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rxGV-eRUC_0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Trump forgot about this, but really McCain was just running from fire as any human would do -- running from fire and being captured doesn't make you a war hero.
     
  14. Major

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    Except that was all part of his initial response before anyone attacked him. Your version is not at all what he said.
     
  15. Remii

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    I don't think it will hurt him amongst his supporters... I have no opinion on rather he's a serious candidate or not at this point, but have you seen his competition.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Fair enough - but listen to what he said:

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    Start at the 1:30 mark. It's clear to me he's is being sarcastic when he says "He's a war hero" the implication is that he's labeled a war hero only because he was captured. And it's clear he is just being glib about it.

    I don't have a problem with what he said to be honest. It actually bothers me that the reason people don't like a candidate - any candidate because of these snafu's or perceived snafu's is really bothersome. Because Trump should be judged on the substance and what kind of skills he has to bring the country forward.

    I personally think he'd be a terrible president - but not because he is outspoken and says what he thinks even if people are going to jump on him for it. I think people are attacking him not because he said something terribly insulting, it's because they are waiting for him to f up and have a field day with him. He's a bit of a clown but the way all these folks self-righteously go after him is as gross as his hair.
     
  17. Buck Turgidson

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    Please don't ever stop posting.
     
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    Of course not. Nothing sticks to the jester because no one takes the jester seriously to begin with.
     
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    Let's not forget that while McCain was a POW he was seriously injured and could have died yet still turned down what would have been an early release based on his status (who his dad was) because there were those who had been there longer. He spent almost 4 extra years as a POW because he wouldn't screw over his buddies by jumping to the front of the line......that's pretty heroic.
     
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    Honestly, it's really just a matter of judgement. Trump admitted he was surprised at the backlash his comments about Mexicans received. I doubt he expected the kind of backlash his comments about McCain are receiving now. For someone trying to win the Republican nomination and the presidency, he's exhibiting ridiculously poor judgement with these remarks.

    I'm of course giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he's serious about this campaign and that this whole thing isn't just a publicity stunt.
     

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