That's really amazing considering the fact that only two teams won 60+ games that season. Note: The Suns and Magic won 59 and 57 games, respectively. Still, they beat the top four teams in the league.
Top 10...hell top 20? Wow, this is seriously some "what have you done lately" dumbcrap goin on...you win 1 championship on one of the teams with the highest payrolls and all the top 50 players are completely changed? Seriously, reading posts like the ones in this thread really reinforce my opinion of idiocy in the general public.
u guys are forgeting this is a guy who already choked and nba finals, lost a 1 vs 8 seed to the GSW on a season his team won 67 games!!!!!. He is really good, i like him ,but he is not even a top 20. Top 50 for sure, but thats it, he is nowhere near the top 10. This guys are way better than him : duncan, shaq, dream, mj, west, rusell, thomas, magic, kareem, moses , wilt , bird , big O, baylor, bob cousy, hell i think even pistol pete and the doctor where better than him. I know he just won a championship, but dont forget his hole carreer, he has been really clutch this postseason, not always.
ahh, my memory must be slipping. i knew the suns were actually 59 but i coulda swore the magic had 60 still, 62 + 60 + 59 +57 is some pretty stiff competition. the average for all 4 is 59.5 ... which rounds up to 60
There are a lot of young people on this board who have either bad memories or no memories. Shaq vs Hakeem will forever be debateable but both are clearly better than Duncan. Duncan is as close to being Dream good as Clyde is to being Jordan. No one can say Dirk is in the top 10 with a straight face. He's top 50 for sure and probably top 30 atleast but I'd have to look through the list again.
he is defiantly top 5 pf of all time but to call him a top 10 is bit ludachris since his carrer is not over yet, but boy would i want him on my team
Top 10, no way Jose. Top 50 might be a stretch considering the list is growing, but no doubt a HOF. Anyone ranking Shaq over Dream, please resign/quit/drop/delist your name on clutchfans (j/k). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS25dibHOR0
No you are not kidding. These people are jokes. They are r****ds and I have zero respect for them. <iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/luF-e5oPi5k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Dream was a better defensive player, better rebounder, better ball handler, better passer, better freethrow shooter, better overall shooter, better footwork, better post moves. Won two championsihps with supporting casts NOWHERE NEAR that of Shaq's 4. There is a reason the entire Around The Horn cast of journalists (excluding Laker dickrider Plachke) was placing Dream ahead of Shaq. Please, how is Shaq better? Like wow. Just wow. You people are jokes.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi Basketball-reference.com's community Player Rating system has him 32 all time. Here is their current top 50. Frankly, I don't agree with a lot of it, but Nowitzki at 32 seems about right. Code: Rk Player Rating G W L W-L% Last Updated 1 Michael Jordan* 2499 8969 6295 2674 .702 June 18, 2011, 12:24PM 2 Magic Johnson* 2498 8897 5693 3204 .640 June 18, 2011, 12:25PM 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2489 8548 5563 2985 .651 June 18, 2011, 12:23PM 4 Shaquille O'Neal 2422 10706 6312 4393 .590 June 18, 2011, 12:24PM 5 Larry Bird* 2400 9268 5862 3406 .632 June 18, 2011, 12:06PM 6 Bill Russell* 2395 9183 5683 3500 .619 June 18, 2011, 11:58AM 7 Wilt Chamberlain* 2392 8793 5668 3125 .645 June 18, 2011, 12:22PM 8 Tim Duncan 2374 11430 6607 4823 .578 June 18, 2011, 12:38PM 9 Kobe Bryant 2370 14985 8843 6142 .590 June 18, 2011, 12:38PM 10 Jerry West* 2350 9211 5266 3945 .572 June 18, 2011, 12:24PM 11 Hakeem Olajuwon* 2324 9337 5683 3654 .609 June 18, 2011, 12:32PM 12 Julius Erving* 2289 9264 5132 4132 .554 June 18, 2011, 12:25PM 13 Charles Barkley* 2274 9569 5354 4215 .560 June 18, 2011, 12:24PM 14 Oscar Robertson* 2274 8785 5254 3531 .598 June 18, 2011, 12:23PM 15 Kevin Garnett 2261 10763 5891 4872 .547 June 18, 2011, 12:05PM 16 David Robinson* 2249 9469 5296 4172 .559 June 18, 2011, 12:06PM 17 Karl Malone* 2232 9497 5369 4127 .565 June 18, 2011, 12:34PM 18 Moses Malone* 2231 9229 5162 4067 .559 June 18, 2011, 12:19PM 19 Jason Kidd 2202 9655 5170 4485 .535 June 18, 2011, 12:30PM 20 Scottie Pippen* 2199 9463 5118 4345 .541 June 18, 2011, 12:28PM Rk Player Rating G W L W-L% Last Updated 21 Elgin Baylor* 2187 9171 4945 4226 .539 June 18, 2011, 12:17PM 22 John Stockton* 2177 9609 5261 4348 .548 June 18, 2011, 12:12PM 23 John Havlicek* 2176 8875 4756 4119 .536 June 18, 2011, 12:28PM 24 Patrick Ewing* 2170 9236 4964 4272 .537 June 18, 2011, 12:03PM 25 Clyde Drexler* 2166 9225 4975 4250 .539 June 18, 2011, 12:22PM 26 Bob Pettit* 2158 9056 4860 4196 .537 June 18, 2011, 12:39PM 27 Dwyane Wade 2135 10122 5453 4668 .539 June 18, 2011, 11:58AM 28 Isiah Thomas* 2123 9344 4927 4417 .527 June 18, 2011, 12:21PM 29 Dominique Wilkins* 2122 9152 4857 4295 .531 June 18, 2011, 12:37PM 30 Steve Nash 2121 10047 5437 4610 .541 June 18, 2011, 12:28PM 31 Gary Payton 2120 9285 4853 4432 .523 June 18, 2011, 12:28PM 32 Dirk Nowitzki 2113 11204 6212 4992 .554 June 18, 2011, 12:15PM 33 Kevin McHale* 2110 9078 4763 4315 .525 June 18, 2011, 12:40PM 34 Paul Pierce 2091 9617 5034 4583 .523 June 18, 2011, 12:09PM 35 Elvin Hayes* 2091 8673 4540 4133 .523 June 18, 2011, 12:24PM 36 Dwight Howard 2076 9617 5030 4587 .523 June 18, 2011, 12:26PM 37 Allen Iverson 2075 9834 5218 4616 .531 June 18, 2011, 12:39PM 38 George Gervin* 2061 8737 4573 4164 .523 June 18, 2011, 12:32PM 39 Bob Cousy* 2061 8801 4595 4206 .522 June 18, 2011, 12:38PM 40 Rick Barry* 2059 8813 4627 4186 .525 June 18, 2011, 12:30PM Rk Player Rating G W L W-L% Last Updated 41 Reggie Miller 2052 9450 4896 4554 .518 June 18, 2011, 12:27PM 42 Walt Frazier* 2044 8815 4610 4205 .523 June 18, 2011, 12:31PM 43 James Worthy* 2032 8690 4506 4184 .519 June 18, 2011, 12:40PM 44 Grant Hill 2024 8821 4577 4244 .519 June 18, 2011, 12:39PM 45 Ray Allen 2020 9702 5048 4654 .520 June 18, 2011, 12:35PM 46 Chris Paul 2015 9240 4804 4436 .520 June 18, 2011, 11:55AM 47 LeBron James 2006 12424 6784 5640 .546 June 18, 2011, 12:29PM 48 Willis Reed* 1996 8356 4248 4108 .508 June 18, 2011, 12:24PM 49 George Mikan* 1995 8502 4377 4125 .515 June 18, 2011, 12:37PM 50 Robert Parish* 1987 8662 4457 4205 .515 June 18, 2011, 12:10PM
^ what system does it use? chris paul over lebron james? jason kidd at #19? shaq #4? interesting to know
The system is public opinion. People can cast their votes on random matchups: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/elo.cgi It constantly collects those votes and creates a ranking from it. It uses the ELO rating algorithm (used to rate chess players) for ranking players based on the 1-on-1 matchups they "win".
