Nice try but MJ was efficient because he was a smarter player, he was efficient long before those players got there.
what are y'all calling efficiency, just fg%? so if someone only shot 3's and hit 40% and someone only shot 2's and hit 50%, you'd say the 2 pt guy was more efficient b/c 50>40, even though the 3 pt guy is getting more points per shot? true shooting percentage is the only way to go, as it accounts for shooting 3's and ft's. jordan still wins that but it's pretty damn close. jordan had a career 56.9 TS%, kobe is at 55.2%. however, the league average TS% was 1.1% higher in the years jordan played compared to when kobe played, reducing their difference relative to the league from 1.7% to 0.6%. furthermore, if kobe stays at 58% this year, he'll move up about .3%, cutting the deficit in half. so while jordan still wins, and while he was also a very low turnover guy (kobe is pretty good but not on the same level wrt turnover%), it's not nearly as dramatic as y'all are making it out to be. if kobe keeps up his current TS% for the next few years, it might be basically equal. despite jordan being better, you could hardly find two more similar guys. each guy had an amazingly complete offensive game, both loved to shoot, both had about the same relative TS%, neither was a huge turnover guy, their assist%'s are nearly identical, both were pretty good rebounders, both also actually play D (though jordan at a higher level) and make all-defense teams, both are probably the most driven, competitive guys in the league, and both were amazingly clutch. jordan had small advantages in many categories that overall give him a significant advantage, but the styles, skills, and mindsets could hardly be more similar. and for whoever said pippen didn't do much after jordan, well jordan didn't do crap after pippen (or before pippen really, except go 1-9 in the playoffs). probably b/c they were both getting older. in the year jordan missed pippen was 2nd in mvp voting and was at least a top 5 player. that sounds like a pretty good guy to have as a running mate to me.
IMO, it's just a joke made by Kobe-Only-Fans. To compare with Jordan, Kobe still have a lot of work to do, like winning several MVPs, one or two championships, and so on.
ah man come on. Who honestly believes Kobe is better than Mike doesn't understand basketball. One reason why: Jordan won the championship, Kobe got championships with SHAQ ( meaning without Shaq kobe wouldn't have a ring, Jordan would have a ring with whoever he played ( a bit exaggerated but hope yall get the point) ).
I don't even think that Kobe is better than Bird, Magic, Barkley, Olajuwon or Isaiah Thomas and Jordan. And to think they all were playing at same time
...but he did a load better than Kobe's done w/o Shaq. Besides, Pippen's rookie year he had 8 ppg. Jordan took the MVP, DPOY, and the Bulls won 50 games. It's pretty ridiculous to toss that out by suggesting that having an extremely green Pippen as a teammate is somehow equivalent to playing with Shaq in his prime. Kobe would have been more like Dominique than MJ had he played in the late 80s. Evan
more than a bit exaggerated. so exaggerated as to not make a point at all. it's too subjective...who would he have won with? what would have been enough? would he do it with kobe's current cast of players with the lakers?? i highly doubt it.
To the genius who conjured up this post ... dial 1-800-UR-ON-CRACK! Kobe total package doesn't even compare to Jordan or even D-Wade. Hell, T-Mac when healthy is a better play maker than Kobe maybe not scorer but, at this point in his career Kobe should be going for championships not scoring titles. So he can score whoopie! He has forgotten the obvious, the one man gang rarely can lead a team all the way! He had Shaq but opened his mouth and inserted his foot and he gets what an arrogant ass deserves nothing and like it.
Well considering Jordan had a higher scoring average AND shot at a better percentage...it seems to indicate he was vastly more efficient.
I'm not tossing it out, but it is also a fact that Jordan did not win a title until '90-'91 when Pippen was starting to hit his prime and he also had players such as Paxon, Cartwright, and Horace Grant in his prime - all very solid role players. So in essence, both players have not been able to win one by himself or with a "rookie" as you pointed out. Jordan didn't win a MVP until 90-91 with a team of good role players, when he was 27-28, nor did he win a playoff series until 87-88, when he beat the Cavs back in the hayday. Jordan's bulls also had a losing record up until that same year, 4 years into their rebuilding around Jordan. Kobe's now 28-29. People also speak of the myth that MJ was phenomenal at making his teammates better, but his averages were only 0.8 over kobe and both of them are 1.3 and 2.1 less than lebron respectively. On a pure statistical basis, Lebron was a better facilitator than both was and should be regarded as a much better teammate. Kobe is now in his 3rd year of rebuilding on the Lakers. You have to put things into context and give the Lakers some time. The only respectable Laker is really Odom, and he also has yet to develop into a legititmate side kick as opposed to being a very good 3rd option player. Kobe also won 3 championships way before Jordan won his on an age by age comparison. You can throw in all sorts of random facts, but its really not as clear cut Judging on a pure skill level, determination, physique, and mental game, yes, Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan than anybody. In fact, some might say that Kobe might be more skilled than Jordan at this juncture. Take note though, that skill is not the only thing that wins you games. I just find it disturbing that people just brush off Kobe, and sanctifying Jordan w/o really fully evaluating the context that both players were under. I agree, that Jordan is a better player, but the gap is not as huge as what some people make it to be.
jordan played 5 seasons in his career w/o pippen. he never cracked .500, lost in the first round 3 times (swept twice), and missed the playoffs twice (and considering he made the playoffs on a 30-52 team, it should probably be more than twice). and no one said a young pippen (or even prime pippen) is equal to prime shaq, but jordan didn't win a title with a green pippen, he won 50 games and lost in the 2nd round. then as pippen and grant got better and each entered their 4th years, they started winning titles.
You are certainly correct for all but maybe Isiah. Though you could make a case for Isiah over Kobe (making a more net positive overall impact for his basketball team) just as you can today make a case for Nash over Kobe. Now Kobe is a better individual talent than either Nash or Isiah, but if you weigh their whole impact on their teams winning and losing Kobe could lose these comparisons.
Agreed. You have to be seriously uninformed (or biased) to brush off the Kobe vs Jordan comparisons. Jordan played with no zone defense and in a league with a higher pace than today and had HOF teammates, so statistically he will always have the edge. There was also a pretty big discrepancy between the top teams and the rest of the league in the 90's. But when you look at Kobe's explosive first step, his ability to control himself in the air and hunger to finish down the stretch, it's very, very close in terms of basketball ability alone.
I'm not even sure that Barkley had it in him to be a winner. Phenomenol talent yes, but no trophy to take him to prove it.
