EFF: Davis: 17.31 Brooks: 15.75 Davis has been more efficient than Brooks this season. End of story...you can cry about Davis taking poor shots, but in the end, he has still been more efficient. And lol at PER rewarding a player for handling the ball more...you now want to complain that it shouldnt count because Davis handles the ball more and therefore racks up more assists? Okay...lets go ahead and say LeBron shouldnt be the highest rated because he shoots a lot and therefore scores more points.
Exactly...take a look at Landrys rebounding numbers in Sac...he's getting 30+ minutes a night and is bringing in 5 rebounds a game. The guy is hard working, fun to watch, tough, and can score...but he has major holes in his game. We all love our Rockets because they fight hard, but when you have a chance to bring in better talent, you do it.
I see no reason to continue this discussion if you think Davis has been better than Brooks this year. We obviously have a different definition of what "good" means.
Baron Davis has played for Mike Dunleavy and Don Nelson the last 5 years. He looks horrible on bad teams, he is however without a doubt a much better player than Aaron brooks. Go and look at his stats on good teams he's being involved in on warriors and hornets, what's more, his playoff performances are way better than his regular season because he is a much better mismatch against other PGs. What was Lowry's performance like in Memphis? What was Kevin Martin's stats like this season in Sacramento? Players can end up in a bad situation.
Better in the sense of better numbers because brooks is in a good system with a good team and a good coach. But if baron davis swapped places with Aaron brooks on the rockets this year, the rockets would have more wins no question in my mind.
I'd rather have Brooks...but to discount Baron is silly. You come in here and just state "Baron had 9 TOs tonight. NINE!!"...i mean, okay...How about I go pick apart Brooks' worst games of the season? Baron has been a special player in this league for a long time...and he is still efficient and he is still doing his thing, even though he is 6 years older than Brooks. So to come in here and throw out one stat line that Baron has had this season to point to the fact that he sucks...thats just naive.
Also, for those that are knocking PER or EFF...why dont you ask Morey what his thoughts are on those numbers? The guy rubs one out every night because of those very statistics.
I'm not "knocking them". I think they can be useful. I just don't think there is any one stat which paints the whole picture in basketball, and from what he's said in interviews, I think Morey would agree with me. Also: Morey obviously thinks highly of Brooks, considering his actions as a GM
I posted numerous stats to discount him, because at this stage I would not want him on my team. I don't care what effeciency stat you cherry pick, he chucks 4 threes a game at 30%. He is out of shape, is a good defender when he cares which is rare, shoots under 40% for overall. I dont care what he used to be, he sucks now.
Morey is a total stat geek...take away PER or EFF and he doesnt have a job. Is it the only thing he goes by? No...he has his own formulas as well...but those 2 stats are about as close as you can get to painting the whole picture. Take a look at all the playoff teams...take a look at the championship teams...and you will notice similarities in their players PER or EFFs...there is no disputing that. As far as Morey's thoughts on Brooks...of course he likes him...we all like him. Thats never been an issue. The issue here is whether or not you'd trade him for Bosh and I would think that Morey would pull the trigger on that deal because Bosh is a much better PF than Brooks is a PG.
Exactly, he is playing for a coach that has lost control of the team and quit midseason. Baron really played his best ball for the hornets under a player's coach in Paul Silas, since then he's played for complete head cases in Nelson and Dunleavy. He needs a good coach, a good system and good team mates to do his best work.
| yes, I agree that he doesnt shoot well...but his points per attempt are just under Brooks'...so he could shoot 10% for all I care...if he is putting up similar points per attempt numbers, what is the problem? Also, other than shooting, Davis has a superior game in ALL respects compared to Brooks. Brooks shoots the ball better than Davis, but Davis does everything else better.
i don't care how good kevin martin used to be, he sucks this year on the kings. he shots under 40%, plays no defense even if he wants to, and the team played much better when he was out. He is a bum and the rockets should not trade for him.
I am 100% certain this is not the case, and I strongly suspect he would laugh at you for saying it. I'm sure he looks at things from many different statistical angles to try to get a sense of the overall story about a player, and I'm sure he gives some (albeit lesser) weight to good old-fashioned scouting, the opinions of his coaching staff, and watching tape. He's basically said as much straight out... go listen to his recent podcast with Simmons.
When I was in dental school at Boston U...my best friend was in business school at MIT...Morey taught my friend at MIT in sports management. He is a stat guy through and through...all about efficiency and production in relation to cost. Thats how Morey rolls and he has a team of people who do nothing but crunch numbers all day. EDIT: and when i say he wouldnt have a job if it wasnt for PER or EFF, im referring to formulas in general that bring about a players production. And yes, that is his selling point.
I know that. I realize he's a big stat guy, and I like it. That doesn't mean he looks at PER or EFF by themselves and says "Hey, that must be a good player" or "Hey, that must be a terrible player". I'm sure his statistical analysis is much deeper, more extensive, and more detailed.
Ive stated that. But in the end...the analysis is about efficiency and production related to cost. PER and EFF are two stats that are as encompassing as anything else we have...again, there is a reason why the top teams, every season, have more players in the top 50 than any other team in the league. Its like clockwork.
I guess it would depend on what we are able to get in the draft this summer. If we are able to parlay a couple of 1st rounders to move up and grab someone like Demarcus Cousins then would you really want include AB in a trade? I would say absolutely no.
