No way I give Bosh a max deal if I'm the Rockets. All I hear on this forum is about how we don't have a "go to" guy who can close out games. If that's the Rockets' biggest problem then you don't bring in a jump shooting PF (who isn't even a great shooter) and pay him max dollars. This team needs to continue to be smart. If the Rockets can't land a guy who can carry a team offensively down the stretch then they don't need to lock up the franchise with a monster contract. Been there, done that, didn't work.
Yeah but the last time we "went there and did taht" we didn't have the deep team we have. Not even close. Bosh fills our needs to perfectly. In 10 months, if the trade does go through, you'll be singing a different tune.
True but I just don't see him filling a dire need the Rockets' have so for the money it isn't worth it. Not to mention, we are going to lose someone in order to bring him here so the depth might not be as good as you think it will be. If the guy was a good defender or had a great post game I would be on board but he has neither. Good overall player but not a max player IMO.
I think you can afford to have a max guy on your team when the rest of your players aren't has-beens or never-were's like those 2006, 2007 teams were. This team is loaded with talent, and we're not going to have to lose anything significant to get Bosh. Outside of contract filler most of the value we lose will be in Hill and the 2 picks. If OKC or some other team is putting up a better offer then we can throw in Taylor or Budinger if absolutely necessary (though I would hate to) Those guys are easily replaceable. Bosh isn't. Even if we had to give up all that we wold still be an insanely deep team. If he can give us anything close to the 24/11 he was putting up in Toronto I'd be more than willing to give him 17 million.
Huh? Bosh would be a great fit on the Rockets. Remember when Adelman showed up and tried to have Yao operate out in the high post, and it turned into a disaster? Bosh can do that. Furthermore, his fave spot is the right elbow. Yao's fave spot is the left block, great fit. There's also the fact that he is a much better jump shooter than Scola, meaning that the play where Yao gets double teamed and throws it to Scola who drills an 18-footer becomes even more reliable, not to mention leaving Bosh open is a very, very bad idea in general, meaning the work for Yao gets easier. On the defensive end, from what I understand, Bosh is not a great post defender, given his lankiness, but we have Yao (and maybe Hayes, assuming we pick up his option and don't trade him) to help battle in there. Meanwhile, Bosh is a much better pick and roll defender than Yao from what I've read, something which we all know Yao is really bad at given his size and lack of speed. Really, if I could get any one player in the league for free at this point, Bosh would be third behind well, Lebron and Durant. He fits amazingly well on this team - would be the Webber on what would basically become the 2002 Kings on roids.
And what needs are you talking about? I hope your not implying that the power forward position is a need with Scola and Hill manning that position. Is Bosh really that much more of an upgrade over Scola and Hill?
No. Bosh and Scola are a big upgrade over Scola and Hill. Scola is a guy who gets garbage points off of defensive lapses and and offensive put backs. Every now and then he'll isolate but thats a small part of his game. Bosh is a guy who can give you 40 any given night and he rebounds like crazy. He gives us the an inside presence that mirrors Yao perfectly and, in the preferably avoidable situatoin that Yao goes down, he gives us at least some sort of legit inside game. Also, he gives us the size to match up with the bigger teams like LA and can take minutes at the 5. So yes, he fits us just about perfect.
He's a top 20 in FG%. For a guy that's a bad shooter, he's doing pretty good in a league of 442 players. He's in the middle of Garnett and Duncan. Unless, you are talking about guys that don't shoot at all, but dunk the ball instead. Yeah, a jump shooter will never beat a dunker as a great "shooter".
larsv8, you kinda prove my point. If shane battier is your idea of a leader, then thats why the rox have been past the 1st rd once in these many years. Shane telling or getting on a player vs yao,bosh, or tracy is huge. Why? The latter are consistent performers and so called franchise guys and shane is a inconsistent bench player. Thats like luke walton barking at kobe. Maybe scotty brooks wouldve gotten in dream's mix for a quick shot. It doesn't work like that.
How we fans view a player is different than how other players view each other. Just because people like you scoff at Battier and say he's worthless doesn't mean that he doesn't have tremenous respect in that locker room for his knowledge of teh game and professionalism. What you're basically saying is that the Rockets won't ever win unless we get Kobe, LeBron, or hot tub time machine Jordan onto our team. Get real.
Duncan will get into your mix real quick. He may not fight his teammates which isnt the point, but parker,manu, and anyone on know duncan will get in your kitchen. Jerdicho, having a team full of guys with the same mental makeup isnt a good thing. Having your 2 premium paid guys like that is a disaster. Now if you told me a guy like stephen jackson was the next guy, ok, thats cool, but after that u hae guys like martin,brooks,and scola. All good players, but none are the types to stand on guys toes and make them accountable. Would i like bosh on this team at max. Sure, but i prefer not having both he and yao.Realistically, i highly doubt the rockets can get him anyway. Too many teams with cap room and healthy players.i mean the spurs,hornets,and even the mavs coyld put together great offers also.
I wouldn't say that about Scola. He's constantly talking to the rest of the guys on the court, and it certainly isn't just pats on the back. Scola shot 51.4% for the season, and they weren't all "scoops," as Bill likes to say. Far from it. Bosh is definitely a better shooter from the perimeter, but Scola is outstanding from mid range. I have to add that in the semi-final game at the 2008 Olympics, Luis Scola had 28/11/2/2 while shooting 61.9%. Bosh had 11/10/1, while shooting 3/4 from the field. Scola was 13/21. Sure, Argentina lost by 20, but Ginobili was out and it certainly wasn't lost because of Scola. I'll also say it wasn't won because of Chris Bosh. I'd still like to get Bosh, but if we stick with Scola and Hill, I can certainly live with that.
Are you on record saying you would rather have Stephen jackson on this team than Bosh or Yao? Did you watch any Rockets games this year? Every single player on the court gave 100% effort on every single play. We were beating teams that were significantly more talented to us fairly often. Why? Because we gave it every night. Go read what other players and fans had to say about the Rockets during the season. "If our guys played with half as much heart and hustle as the Rockets we would be title contenders" That's with a bunch of sissies leading the charge as you put it.
I agree Scola is a baller. He averaged something like 19 and 9 once Landry left. However Scola isn't a go to scorer in the NBA like Bosh can be. Scola gets his points in teh flow of the offense and hustling. Bosh gets his by doing that, and being able to just blow by guys. Having both, well that will be a beautiful thing.
Try reading what i typed please. What I said was i would rather have bosh or yao, not both. If i did have both, i think that 3rd guy needs to be a stephen jackson type of guys. In fact, i would rather have jackson over martin any day no matter what the numbers say. I watched every game and taped most, not to mention the countless games I've watched through the years. I don't think yao-bosh would win anything mostly because neither are leaders. Despite those guys getting their numbers, its bigger than that when trying to win a title. I don't trust either in a big spot,high stakes game and thats when you need your money guys to deliver. I would gladly give them yao for bosh and resign scola vs getting bosh and yao and take up all the money and go nowhere.
I think he is *almost* a franchise player, so I voted yes, but it is borderline. I think he can fool enough people (like the OP) into thinking he IS a franchise player if he signs with the Rockets and is very successful. He will have a real team around him, something he has not had yet.
I don't think whether or not he is a "franchise player" is relevant. These labels are silly and have little bearing on whether or not a team wins a championship. Can a team with great role players and two or three players who are very good but don't quite cross the magical threshold of "franchise player" win a championship? Of course. The idea of a single player "leading a team to a championship" is overrated. Usually when stars get blasted for not being able to lead their team to a championship, it's really because the team as a whole wasn't good enough to win a championship. The better question is: Is Bosh good enough to, when added to Yao, Martin, Brooks and our role players, improve the Rockets enough to win a championship? I think he possibly is.
