Is Bob McNair the most inept owner in Houston sports history?

It shouldn't but I think it will. Judging by the comments from McNair, it seems like he is pleased that the Texans are only a few plays from turning those losses into wins. I think as long as he sees that the players are still competing till the end, he will end up keeping Kubiak.

 

That sounds more like a guy who only wants to talk about this Sunday than a guy who's already decided he's going to keep his HC.

 

The more I look at this the more I've come to believe that Kubiak's fate is ultimately tied to the impending lockout. If the NFL settles their labor issues before season's end, then Kubiak is a goner. But if there is a lockout and it lasts well into next year, then Kubiak is going nowhere because McNair is not going to hire a new coach in such an uncertain environment. This is especially true if that new coach won't have the proper time to implement his systems or would be stuck with Kubiak's old players who don't fit into those systems.

 

Sounds like Ken Lay on a conference call assuring his investors that the stock is safe. I mean haven't we heard this kind of talk before Mcnair:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQI4VYb6iGM

notice in that clip that a big factor in the #1 pick was signability. What does that tell you about the owner? You mean you have the number one and you don't have the nads to throw down for the pick and are worried about 'getting them into training camp' Yeah that helps us now like it did Monday night when Mario Williams had one tackle against the colts all game. I personally find it unbelievable that it is even acceptable by the fan base to be worried about how much on the number one pick. if you cant stand the heat mcnair then sell the damn team to someone that does!! only bud adams cares about money yet here is mcnair raising ticket prices:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6822851.html
and raising parking rates every year.

Didnt want to pay dunta, agreed to hire 'dumb' capers and a guy that had already quit (casserly) yet still let him do picks? What about babin and boselli? What about the HSA paying for Reliant and the city of houston throwing down to be number #1 when you Mr Mcnair are worried about signability and being cheap with the #1 pick? Disgusting.

Bud Adams only wanted the stadium that mcnair got. Everyone moans about what adams took away but what did he bring to houston? Pro football ! years and years of football as well and the likes of earl campbell and warren moon etc. And when it came down to it bud adams went for it and got players like for example wilbur marshall to try to add to the team.

Bud Adams had a falling out with Bob lanier and you can thank bob laniers ego for basically turning his back on Bud and forcing Buds hand. It was a case of one ups manship and dont think for a second that lanier gave a crap about the city of Houston,keeping the team or anything to do with tradition. This was all to do with lack of penis size. Maybe if lanier and HSA didnt get reliant built moments after Bud left , one could make the argument that it was just about bud being greedy. Lanier is a monumental POS.

As for inept there is no question the oilers and bud adams have proven to be the better than mcnairs texans in all ways. I still get chills thinking about house of pain and the run and shoot with jeffires duncan slaughter etc etc. Luv ya blue... man those were the days!

The oilers had some fun awesome teams. Anyone who says the texans are anywhere close to that on any level is smoking crank. I may be living in the past but the selective memory of some is a joke. Oilers were the team and besides the 'texans' is a cheesy dallas name. I mean can it get any worse? Can't we just get the money together and at least buy the oilers name back from bud? Buy it from him and write him an apology and let us have back the real NFL name for houston the oilers. At the same time see if mcnair can go ahead and cash in on the scam him and lanier pulled. sell it to a real owner who cares about winning like bud adams did.

Agree with OP wholeheartedly


MCNAIR NEEDS TO GO

 

This. He did this with David Carr. He did this with Dom Capers. He did this with Charley Casserly. He is doing this with Kubiak. He is doing this with Smith.

There is loyal, and there is loyal to a fault. And this is his fault.

This response, and responses like it, all point to McNair, imo. He has had exactly ONE victory, and that was to bring the NFL back to Houston. Since then, he has done NOTHING but fail, year after year, for nearly a freaking decade. No big signings, no chasing marquee free agents, no splashes, and most egregiously, no wins. In fact: no NOTHING. Nothing but loyalty to the wrong people and feel-good talk about "character" players year after year. He can't even be bothered to tie Houston's old football history to his precious new-baby franchise like bringing Warren Moon to talk to the fans after his Hall of Fame induction or retiring numbers of the old Oilers, or even recognizing them in any form or fashion. HOUSTON loves those guys and those guys love HOUSTON. Some things are bigger than your NFL-sized ego, buddy-Bob, and this is one of them.

That McNair has done nothing to ingratiate his team to the largest city in football-crazy Texas, who is still lost and forlorn after losing their old team nearly 15 years ago speaks volumes.

If you held a city-wide vote today to trade the Texans franchise to Tennessee so we could have the Oilers back, I'd bet everything I have that the vote would overwhelmingly be to bring back the Oilers.

I don't know about the worst in all of Houston sports history, but Bob McNair has been nothing but terrible since day #2, with day #1 being the day he got the team here.

 

WRONG!!!!

Dead wrong.

Could not be more wrong.

Here's what happened...
Bud wanted a major renovation to the Astrodome in 1987. He threatened to move the team to Jacksonville. We caved and floated $90 million in bonds to renovate the Dome and add more seating.

10 years later (while we were still paying on the bonds from the renovation) Bud decided he wanted a whole new stadium. Not just any stadium, a very specific stadium. He wanted a stadium that would convert to a basketball arena and pledged that the Rockets would play there. Les Alexander said that was news to him and he had made no such agreement. Therefore, the very expensive "Bud Dome" was rejected and he moved to Tennessee without a discussion of a more realistic plan.

So...he did not just want the same stadium McNair got. You have the facts wrong.

 

This situation has gotten so bad that there are actually people in this thread defending Bud freakin' Adams.

What do you think about that, Bob?

I think it's f***ing disgusting.

 

Bro, you need to check the records of other expansion franchises (with the exception of the Jags and Panthers who were treated differently). Expansion's hard to do, man.

I don't think he has a right to. I think our beloved Bud Adams has more control over these things than we would think.

Honestly, when has McNair come across as arrogant or egomaniacal? Dumb, overly loyal, staying the course perhaps -- but I haven't caught him being Jones-esque or Davis-like.

Perhaps. But I say, screw 'em and the horse they rode in on. But, that's just me.

I just don't see it. I know you and others have spent pages upon pages trying to explain it--but name some free agents that would have made sense and were actually feasible (be careful not to be too sports-radio-ish here!). Sticking too long with each regime I can see, but isn't that better than going Al Davis and firing people every 10 months (hyperbole intended)?

Thinking in the grander scheme of things, the Texans are just about where every other franchise was around this time of their existence. And frankly, they're better than the Browns. That, and I can't shake the memories of the Astros being owned by a credit holdings company, or of Spec Richardson trading away everything worth anything because the owner was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy (the OWNER himself, not the franchise).

That, and Bud's treatment of the Astrodome and his making enemies of pretty much everyone before getting mad and picking up his toys and leaving town, makes it pretty hard for me to think of McNair as anything near "among the most inept" or "worst" owners in Houston history.

Sorry, I just don't see it you guys' way.

I have great memories of the Oilers, too. The Texans have not been around long enough to approach either end of where the Oilers reached: some great, fun teams with good times, or--of course--the historic national JOKE that they were for most of their existence here. Take away Earl Campbell years and the short-lived fraud that was the run-n-shoot, and the Oilers have nothing left but paper-sack-wearing laughingstock history. They were my team, make no mistake, and I was absolutely LIVID when they left.

But that ship has sailed.

Good riddance.

You guys do realize we can't fire him, right? If McNair goes, so does our team--again. I don't think I could stomach that. Perhaps you mean you wish him to sell? You can't change owners out like GMs or coaches or strong safeties.

 

Repped. And quoted in full, 'cause some of you fellas need to read this over a few times.

 

I'm fully aware of this. But ONE winning season since the clubs birth is ridiculous.

It doesn't technically have to have anything to with the Oilers. No one can stop someone from retiring a number or from recognizing a private citizen who played for the city. McNair is on record saying he essentially wanted a 'clean slate' for his new franchise, with no ties to its former team. In a sense, this is fine, but I think it's remarkably stupid and borderline disrespectful to not have at least #34 retired. Bruce Matthews, as well. I think it would go a LONG way toward healing the huge wound that is still so obviously apparent.

I base this on what I said above, though admittedly "arrogant or egomaniacal" probably isn't fair. It seems to me that in his zeal to have a clean slate, he has completely disregarded both the heartache and fond memories of the Houston Oilers. Getting over your "ex" is one thing. To pretend she never existed is something else entirely.

We all hated Bud, but we all loved the Oilers as a team and as individuals. I don't want to honor Bud, just some recognition of the memories we had of the team and its players.

Fair enough, but to me 2 coaches + 2 GMs + nearly a decade of futility = fail.

Of course I know this. I'm not sure about a few others, though.

True, but Drayton and Bob Lanier also played a hand in this.


Someone said this earlier, and in my mind, it's 100% true: Not only are we bad, but we're boring. Excruciatingly boring. Part of the reason I mention recognition of our NFL past by the Texans is that I think they'd be wise to do SOMETHING to rally the people and fans. I mean, how many times have we read on here where posters say "I love football but it's just not the same anymore"? The fans need something to hearken back to; to attach themselves to. All McNair and the Texans have done is stick their fingers in their ears and pretend the Oilers never existed, all while being laughingly bad and ridiculously boring.

I just want to be excited, dammit.

Be bad or be boring. Not both.

The Texans have been both for 99.9999999% of their existence.

 

then are you sure your "fully aware" of it?

 

one more key fact: he was offered an open air stadium in Houston when he got back from visiting Tennessee. he said no and loaded up the trucks to get out of town.

no one ever stood up for him. no one rallied for him. he had zero friends in the business community. that's what happens when you treat people like vomit.

 

epic fail!!!

holy crap. that should be "you're".

 

werd.

 

That and the fact that he signed that exclusive negotiating contract with Tennessee sealed the Oilers' fate in Houston.

 

Absolutely. Adams had already been talking with Tennessee when he made his "build me a stadium or else" demand. And many folks, like myself, believe that was nothing more than a face-saving ruse and that this was actually a done deal because Adams got everything he wanted including terms he wasn't going to get from the HSA.

 

So do you really think Adams would have left if he had been offered reliant? 'factually' that makes you crazy (well clinically in my book)

 

Lets review the facts/ hall of shame so far for mcnair/adams in no particular order:

1)boselli
2)choosing the name the 'texans'
3)casserly,letting casserly pick when already on the way out
4)capers (run,run,pass,punt aka 'r2p2')
5)david carr
6)david carrs hair
7)babin
8)pay dunta
9)1st pick debacle passing on bush and hometown favorite
10)too cheap to pay first pick (cant stand the heat of a number 1)
11)continous raising of all prices including parking and ticket prices
12)kubiak/smith
13)cushing PED. Well known before draft.

Adams Hall of Shame:
1) left houston
2) wanted bigger stadium
3) took away that awesome scoreboard
4) choke city 35-3 bills disaster
5) played role in the losing years (gif nielsen,cody carlson,pardee,glanville etc)
6) continous raising of all prices just like Mcnair (see all owners in history of sports)

No one is going to profess adams to be jesus... adams was this and that and sure no one wanted to see herzogs butt...but clearly mcnair has proven to be much more inept.

 

Both of your lists contain things that owners simply cannot be blamed for except that the guys they hired did it. I don't think this post holds very much logical water.

I get it: you hate McNair. As is your right. Bully for you.

 

Bud Adams has had Fisher for like 15 years now? How many titles?