Is Bob McNair the most inept owner in Houston sports history?

ferrari77 · Nov 22, 2010

Rip Van Rocket said:

McNair is a hero to me. We have a team to watch every week because of McNair. McNair gave Capers and Casserly a chance to build a winner, and when they failed he replaced both of them. He has now given Kubiak and Smith time to get the job done and they also have failed. So I now expect Kubiak or Smith or both to be gone after this season. There's not a lot more the owner can do. I also don't think McNair is a tightwad either. Just because he doesn't spend money like George Steinbrenner doesn't mean he's tight with his money. McNair is a classy guy, and we are lucky to have him.
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Thank you!!!

da Whopper · Nov 22, 2010

HillBoy said:

No it doesn't at all. I suggest you go back and look at the old Football Follies videos to see how prominently Bud's Oilers were featured. When the Oilers were bad, they weren't just bad but historically bad, comically inept and legendary for their futility. As clueless as McNair may be in hiring the right football people, at least he didn't up and move the team to Nashville and thereby F the Houston football fans who had swallowed 37 years of his crappy ass football. No, all McNair did was to put his money on the line and manage snatch the franchise from Los Angeles (where the NFL wanted to place this team) and bring pro football BACK to Houston after Butt-face Bud slithered off to Tennessee. Look at it this way: you wouldn't even be able to whine about no playoff victories if Bud had his way because Houston would be just another city without NFL football and you'd be stuck rooting for the Cowboys.
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IT WAS NOT 37 YEARS OF BAD FOOTBALL! Bud produced 15 playoff teams. That's a fact. Sure, he is deservedly despised, but that does not negate McNair's complete and utter failure when it comes to the on the field product.

And have you been watching the last two weeks? The Texans are a laughingstock now.

da Whopper · Nov 22, 2010

msn said:

nor were they around when the Astros were tossed between two different credit companies because their owner went bankrupt. Or when the locally born-and-raised Hall-of-Famer was let go of only to throw two more no-hitters and a couple thousand more K's in freaking Dallas.

The point wasn't that there were never good times before Drayton and Les; the point was that a silly statement like "Bob is the worst ever" betrays the very real possibility that the individual's frame reference for Houston ownership is pretty much Bob, Les, and Drayton.
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Gotta call BS on that. I remember McMullen and I remember Bud. The 1960s and early 70s are a bit before my time, but you can still argue that McNair has been just as bad. This will be the 9th season in a row with no playoffs for Bobby M.

So, it's not silly at all. Sorry the truth hurts.

da Whopper · Nov 22, 2010

Winning Pct in 9 season segments

Texans 2002-2010 .384
Astros 1962-1970 .435
Astros 1971-1979 .493
Astros 1980-1988 .521
Astros 1989-1998 .514
Astros 1999-2007 .527
Astros 2008-2010 .487 (obviously not 9 seasons)

msn · Nov 22, 2010

da Whopper said:

Gotta call BS on that.
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your prerogative. I gotta call BS on your take: BS!

da Whopper said:

I remember McMullen and I remember Bud. The 1960s and early 70s are a bit before my time, but you can still argue that McNair has been just as bad. This will be the 9th season in a row with no playoffs for Bobby M.
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you can argue that McNair's era has been as bad as the 60s and 70s?? LOL have fun with that, dude. I hope you never, ever, EVER know what it's like for your team you love to be owned by a freaking credit holdings company. Or to go NINETEEN YEARS without so much as sniffing any playoff hopes. Or to be known as the team that got rid of Joe Morgan *and* Nolan Ryan. Or to be the team whose only highlight in the past 20 freaking years was when Dan Pastorini *didn't* get sacked.

So, it's not silly at all. Sorry the truth hurts.
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you would do well not to confuse your opinion with "the truth". and no, your opinion doesn't "hurt" at all.

msn · Nov 22, 2010

da Whopper said:

Winning Pct in 9 season segments
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Winning Pct in 3 season segments
Texans 2007-2009: over .500

See, I can come up with pointless delineations, too. :grin:

Joshfast · Nov 22, 2010

Has it come to this? Arguing which era sucked more in Houston?

Man this city is needs a winner.

msn · Nov 22, 2010

Joshfast said:

Has it come to this? Arguing which era sucked more in Houston?

Man this city is needs a winner.
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holy crap, you are so right, dude.

Joshfast · Nov 22, 2010

msn said:

holy crap, you are so right, dude.
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We are SO ready. At the beginning of the season after the Colts game the city was so hyped it was great. Everyone talking about the Love Ya Blue years and how it was similar to how the city was generating buzz for the Texans.... All you can do is laugh it off now with how utterly ridiculous the Texans are....that's not even mentioning the Rockets, Astros and Dynamo.

da Whopper · Nov 22, 2010

msn said:

your prerogative. I gotta call BS on your take: BS!

you can argue that McNair's era has been as bad as the 60s and 70s?? LOL have fun with that, dude. I hope you never, ever, EVER know what it's like for your team you love to be owned by a freaking credit holdings company. Or to go NINETEEN YEARS without so much as sniffing any playoff hopes. Or to be known as the team that got rid of Joe Morgan *and* Nolan Ryan. Or to be the team whose only highlight in the past 20 freaking years was when Dan Pastorini *didn't* get sacked.

you would do well not to confuse your opinion with "the truth". and no, your opinion doesn't "hurt" at all.
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UH, dude - it's been 9 years without a playoff appearance for McNair - so we're halfway to 19 years in a league where it's easy to make the playoffs.

And, uh, dude, the Oilers did not have 20 bad years in a row. Didn't happen. Granted the 1964-77 period was not pretty, but they did make the playoffs in 1967 and 1969 and went 10-4 in 1975. I'll ask again - how many times has a Bob McNair team won 10 games? Huh Dude? Tell me?

Your points are just the ramblings of someone completely divorced from reality.

msn · Nov 22, 2010

da Whopper said:

Your points are just the ramblings of someone completely divorced from reality.
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your points are just the ramblings of someone who can't handle being disagreed with.

I'm sorry some folks here don't see this the same way you do. Get over it, "uh, dude".

msn · Nov 22, 2010

da Whopper said:

so we're halfway to 19 years in a league where it's easy to make the playoffs.
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Speaking of being "divorced from reality", how "easy" has it been to make the playoffs in the AFC South the last 9 years? How many teams with less than 10 wins have made the AFC playoffs from any division other than the west lately? How many teams with more than 10 wins had to sit at home?

"Easy", indeed.

da Whopper · Nov 22, 2010

msn said:

your points are just the ramblings of someone who can't handle being disagreed with.

I'm sorry some folks here don't see this the same way you do. Get over it, "uh, dude".
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I have given the facts that show how historically bad McNair's teams have been. No one has refuted that.

msn · Nov 22, 2010

da Whopper said:

I have given the facts that show how historically bad McNair's teams have been. No one has refuted that.
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You've given the following facts:
- No playoffs!!!!
- A very poor winning-percentage comparison between NFL and MLB (do realize how incredibly skewed that is when one schedule is less than 10% the length of the other???)
- The Oilers made a couple playoffs in the 60s.

The point was, is McNair the worst owner. The answer is, "hell no".

You went to google and found some facts. Bully for you! But perhaps you don't (and perhaps you do and it just doesn't register the same with you, which is fine) remember how much a punch in the gut it was for the Astros to trade Joe Morgan for a half-drunk sixpack. Or to let Nolan Ryan go make history in freaking Dallas. Or to watch your half-senile NFL owner burn every bridge he could find, make enemies of pretty much the whole damned city, wreck the local MLB ballpark, then pick of all of his toys (and our city's NFL history) and LEAVE.

I'm sorry, but McNair could go TWENTY years with no playoffs and still not be that bad. There's simply more to life than W-L records and playoff appearances, bro.

At least for me, and in my opinion. I respect if you feel differently. But a lot of folks feel the way I do, and we are not "divorced from reality". Do learn to handle opposing viewpoints with a bit more grace.

Agent94 · Nov 22, 2010

Here are some facts for you. The Texans are exactly in the middle of winning percentage for the expansion teams since the AFL/NFL merger.

If I remember right they made the expansion rules a little harder on the Browns and Texans due to the early success of the Jags and Panthers.

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JoeBarelyCares · Nov 22, 2010

McNair has a 30 year free pass in my book. People forget how miraculous it was that we got another football team, after only 5 years of no football. This was after we had a Save the Oilers rally, and only about 30 people showed up. Los Angeles had to screw up 5 different ways for us to have a shot, and they did. Then McNair got the team because the other owners liked him and respected him.

Basically, it took a Hail Mary deflection pass against Los Angeles for us to get the team. Otherwise, we would still not have a team, 14 years later. Nine years of no playoffs is much better than nine years of no football. When do you think the nation's second largest TV market is going to get a team?

rhino17 · Nov 22, 2010

da Whopper said:

According to the Forbes article, the Texans are only in the list because of the naming rights on Reliant Stadium.
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you apparently didnt read the entire thing, their net value is 10th in the world. Its stated at the top of each team on the list. Their stadium rights are just the highest in the world.

MadMax · Nov 22, 2010

rhino17 said:

you apparently didnt read the entire thing, their net value is 10th in the world. Its stated at the top of each team on the list. Their stadium rights are just the highest in the world.
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you're right of course...

but assume he's right for a second.

WHO CARES??? it's an asset. if that asset alone caused the entire value of the franchise to be the 10th highest in the world, guess what???

it would still be the 10th highest in the world!!!

meh · Nov 22, 2010

HillBoy said:

You still choose to ignore the obvious here. Without McNair, you'd have NO team to complain about.
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Really? Are you saying that if we had been willing to build a Adams a new stadium, that he'd have still left for Tennessee?

SamFisher · Nov 22, 2010

MadMax said:

you're right of course...

but assume he's right for a second.

WHO CARES??? it's an asset. if that asset alone caused the entire value of the franchise to be the 10th highest in the world, guess what???

it would still be the 10th highest in the world!!!
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LOL, you mean there's no parade downtown for "we're number 10 in estimated valuation!" - it's a shame, sports has become so commercial these days that we can't even take pride in that.

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