Is Beverley a championship Point Guard?

What happens when Harden has a defender draped on him like Klay Thompson (saturday nights game) or Kawhi Leonard, what does Bev do then?

 

The Rockets need another player who can create off the dribble so all of the pressure will not be on Harden. Point is the only spot you can make this upgrade at the moment.

 

We need a downhill penetrating point guard with the capability to hit floaters at will. If we can somehow achieve this style point guard, it would balance the team and create as many opportunities when Harden is out.

 

I just dont play into the "favorites" game. Bev's game is not pretty or fancy. He does the dirty work and is good at it. He plays fantastic defense and his great in HIS ROLE the team ask of him. When we beat OKC and he contains Westbrook he gets almost no credit. But if the team plays horrible and loses against GS, it's all his fault and we need to replace him (never mind Harden not showing up). Defense should be valued just as much the offensive stats you obsess over.

 

Lin ?

 

Unobtainable. They would ask for Harden and 4 draft picks in return.

 

I like Reggie Jackson a lot. He wants a starting role and he's a definite upgrade over Patrick Beverley. OKC don't apparently plan on keeping him given the reports that KD/Westbrook are asking Waitors to sit next to them.

 

Jackson seems to be a chucker with a huge ego. Not sure if it's because he is trying to prove a point and get paid. But they guy will demand close to max $$$.
Additionally the dude shoots below 30% from 3 point land in his career. That is not a good fit next to Harden even as secondary ball handler as a lot of their minutes will overlap and when they play together Harden will be the defacto PG 80% of the time.

Not worth it IMO

 

The kind of upgrade everybody wants is going to cost $$$. You want more of a shooting guard then. Dion Waitors would have probably fit that role but for some reason I like Jackson's game better.

 

we already have an upgrade and he's down at rvg. it's not a huge goran type of an upgrade but the kid can score.

 

I still want to see a Bev defender respond to this post I made in another thread.

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Why did Elfrid Payton take him to school in the late stages of that Orlando game if his defense is so lock down? Why did Corey Joseph take him to school in the Spurs game?

You can reference John Wall shooting 4-10 all you want, but I attribute that more to an off shooting night than Bev shutting him down. The dude still got 13 and 12 assists. And more importantly, he facilitated his team to a win.

Lawson went 7-13 against Beverley and also dropped 12 assists

The next game Beverley "held" Lawson to 4-12 shooting (while also going 3-9 himself) but Lawson changed the game by dropping 16 assists. Good thing Harden had a 41 point game.

Did Beverley stop Westbrook in the playoffs two seasons ago?
Did Beverley stop Lillard in the playoffs last season?

Is anyone confident his defensive contributions against Curry, Parker, Conley (who btw also went 6-10 for 19 pts and 6 assts in a blow out win against us with Beverley starting) Paul, Rondo, Bledsoe will outweigh his ineptitude on offense?

That's what it is about to me. It's a net +/- game. Even on the days Beverley "holds his man" to whatever numbers, does that cancel out Beverley's inability to play the PG position?

That brings on the point of those clamoring that "Bev doesn't need to play PG, that's what Harden does!" That's just ridiculous. Harden does facilitate quite a bit. But at the end of the day, especially since we've made these trades, the ball is in Harden's hands a lot less. And even if you don't think that's true, all year long good defenses have forced the ball out of Harden's hands and they will continue to do just that. There absolutely has to be that second perimeter play maker. That sure isn't falling on Ariza.

Beverley actually attempts to be the play maker and run the offense quite a bit. Unfortunately more often than not it results in the "wrong pass" or a boneheaded play. There will be an open teammate or someone who has a good match-up waiting for the ball (I'm looking at you Dwight and D-Mo) and Bev will just make an errant pass around the perimeter or dribble around doing his best Steve Francis impersonation.

These are not things I want from a PG in our system logging 30+ mins a game when the only other option than Harden on the perimeter is Ariza.

 

Bev is not a championship PG. Reason why DM is pursuing Rubio hard.

 

What does he do?

He did not turn the ball over, he did run back to defend.

That's what he did.

That's what Harden failed to do mostly in the last 10 games.

 

It's sad when the only arguments you can come up with in favor of Beverley are digs at Harden.

 

Is laughable when people only get on Bev whenever the Rox will lose a game.

The Rockets were top 3 in offense rating and scoring for the last 10 games.

Offense is not the issue with this team, defense is the problem for the Rockets struggling of late.

The problem on defense is coming from hustling and trying.

Try listen to McHale and Ariza and even Harden said after the loss, you may actually find out the reason.

 

You guys comparing one on one PG play are not making a good case, it is all about team defense....

If Bev gets picked - who is the center at the rim to shut it down?

When Howard is engaged on defense everyone is better - or when DMO is in there playing positional - it effects everyone.

When Howard is letting them get to the rim (Lately a lot) the team defense suffers.

DD

 

Most of the team just don't try that hard lately on defense, you just don't see the efforts there.

Last game in the second half, Josh made a dumb pass and created a TO, Iggy got the ball for a fast break, 3 guys ran back, Ariza/Bev/Brewer, Iggy made a tough shot with Ariza jumping up to defend, and then got blocked by Brewer, and then he picked up the ball from the floor, and then he shot again over Ariza, whose jumping up again for a foul, a 2+1 play.

During this whole procession, when Josh made a TO, he hanged his head and Diwght was standing there and shaking his head and watching, and then they started to run back after the ball was blocked at the other end.

This was not just an single incident, it was happening way too often, with some many guys in this team.

As for individual defense efforts on the floor, Harden is definitely ad big minus of late, his defensive contribution and efforts were in last year's form now, not the same as he played earlier this year.

If the Rockets will just adjust, especially Harden will not adjust - whose having very bad body language and efforts when the shots are not falling, the Rox will do no where.

 

Beverley is not the problem on D. Our team D has not been as good as early in the year.

 

Lol please. Let me help you "find out the reason"

Our offense looks good because over the last 10 games we've blown out a bunch of bad teams.

A stretch against Charlotte, Miami, Cleveland (w/o Lebron), Knicks, Jazz, and the Nets with an offense centered around James Harden will make any offense look good.

The only team of relevance we beat in that time is OKC.

Against good-elite teams, we lost to: NO, Chicago, and Golden State. Against a mediocre team, we got destroyed by Orlando.

All three of those games against playoff* type teams were solely due to Harden getting shut down. He played bad against NO, but then again the whole team did. Against contenders like Chicago and Golden State, they have the defenders to shut down Harden and take the ball out of his hand.

This leads to ****ty shots by our team. Our offensive woes lead to easy buckets for the other team on their end. It's as simple as that.

I don't care how many bad teams we blow out. Until we get a player other than Harden on the perimeter that can break his man down off the dribble and create for himself or teammates, this team is going nowhere.

We'll blow out the Pacers tonight too probably. Then on Wednesday against a contending team with the right personnel, we'll struggle again unless Harden goes into super saiyan mode. That's not the formula for a team that wants to win in the playoffs.

 

Scoring 132 points is the formula to win over GSW?

LOL