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Is Bev still hurt?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lid1013, Nov 17, 2013.

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  1. bws

    bws Member

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    I think he came back early because he doesn't like sitting knowing he could contribute. He's doing fine, he played very well in the last game. Some people overrated his defense but he can't play like he did off the bench but for so many minutes and he has to stay out of foul trouble.
     
  2. kmart9419

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    He was billed as a dpoy candidate during preseason. That's laughable. His man d is ok, not shumpert or iggy good. His team d is also ok. Bev was setup for a fall.

    Bev was obviously not ready to return based on his play. But I don't blame him for coming back early. If he sat out another week and with Lin going off, there was a very good chance he will lose his coveted starting job.
     
  3. pollaxt

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    No one alive can sustain the kind of energy and hustle Bev showed in bursts last year for 30 min/game. Don't know why this is a surprise to anybody.
     
  4. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Bev is an over-rated defender. He looked great off the bench because he just had to keep it up for a few minutes. It is not sustainable playing starter minutes.
     
  5. Matt Maloney

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    Pat Bev in on Jim Rome right now. 650am
     
  6. OremLK

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    I don't think he's 100% yet. That said I agree he's been a little overrated as a defender. He's a pest, but he sometimes makes mental mistakes, and he can't sustain his effort level for 30 minutes a game.

    I see him playing a Harden-era Thabo Sefolosha role on this team. Starting for rotational purposes, but still playing fewer minutes than Lin. About 20-25 mpg should be right.
     
  7. jtr

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    Bev has always been a very good man to man defender. However he is struggling with the defensive rotations needed in the NBA. Like so many other Rockets. Lin is much better at making the proper rotation. Looking only at the stats Lin was actually the better defender last season.
     
  8. AggNRox

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    most likely the case.
     
  9. torocan

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    This.

    People don't realize that bench players are often fighting for minutes. So they're not only playing fewer minutes to start with, but when they get on the floor they tend to go 100% all the time.

    Starters don't have that luxury. When you're looking at playing 82 games at 35-40 mpg, you learn that you have to pick and choose your spots, change gears, and distribute the responsibility.

    Fans constantly look at a bench player coming out at full speed and think that's what they're going to get if they're moved to the starting line up. However, more often than not this isn't the case. What you're seeing from the bunch is often the Maximum effort possible for the time they have on the floor. This can look impressive, but it's ultimately not sustainable.

    As noted above, the difference between playing as a starter and reserve also means different match ups. There are lots of offensive players that can destroy an opposing bench, but get killed when they're facing starting units. This also applies to guarding back up PG's versus starting PG's.

    The difference between Lin and Beverley is that Lin has shown that he's capable of torching both starting and 2nd units, as well as reasonably defending starting and 2nd units even though he's on every team's scouting report. Opposing teams know that the offense runs through Harden and Lin and tailor their defenses and offenses accordingly.

    We're starting to see the same applied to Beverley, and we'll see how sustainable his play will be, not only in terms of the increased minutes, but in terms of how opposing offenses tailor their game plans to either exploit him or neutralize his effectiveness.

    Being an offensive "spark" off the bench against a 2nd unit is as different from a first unit role as being a great defender against a 1st vs 2nd unit. Don't be surprised if Beverley doesn't end up looking as great as you remember, and be thankful if he does. The vast majority of bench players (barring the pure 6th man role) are on the bench for a reason.
     
  10. AggNRox

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    from bench means he dealt with the opponent bench, less experience and less skillful, more often in the past then now.
     
  11. kmart9419

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    That's what morey said. But nobody believed cause the eye test is better.
     
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    Not sure why McHale had to change the starting lineup. All it did was created 20 million threads on GARM.
     
  13. howo13579

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    He is still a good defender. He constantly put pressure on ball handler that he might loses his man once a while when the ball handler gets pass him. I'd take that risk. But don't expect him fighting through multiple screens. Those require good team defense rotation. I should say don't expect any player to fight through screen and still keep up with the opposite pg, even for superior defenders such as Paul or Rondo.
     
  14. tomato123

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    I have to agree.

     
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    Possibly this. Could be he isn't 100%. But also he has not adjusted to starting yet. Still picks up bad fouls.

    Have to say, I love his intense defense and it has gotten the rockets a few possessions.
     
  16. cdblue10

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    let's stop this Bev is better than LIn,Lin is ready to play 34-36minutes he earned that.It doesn't matter if he will come off the bench or not,obviously Lin is better than Bev w/ in a mile.Defense is the problem of the team,the defensive coach must device a defensive plan for pick an rolls,stop the argument that Lin can't defend,we already see it that he can (reference, Bobcats and Dallas game) and can learn more w/ in the course of the season.If we want to win let's put the best players of the team all the time,that's the formula of winning basketball,no more hidden BS.If the coach can't do that he needs to go!This is also applies to other players we have a very talented team,the coach needs to unlock how to find it out,these young stud will play their heart out if given a chance.
     
  17. Ericonomist

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    small sample size.
     

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