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Is America still a segregated country?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tigermission1, Sep 18, 2005.

  1. Sishir Chang

    Sishir Chang Member

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    I don't agree with Langal and my views of whites and others aren't the same as his. What I'm saying though is that I can understand where he's coming from in regard to being judged solely on appearance because its happened to me and many many others. Until you've experienced its ignorant to just dismiss it as self-pity.
     
  2. wnes

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    What does it take to be called a racist? And what does it take to be a racist?
     
  3. r35352

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    Not only does household size need to be considered but also non-racial factors need to be considered and "normalized". Asians tend to live in urban areas and these areas tend to be wealthier than non-urban areas where Asians don't tend to live. So I suspect that when comparing Asians to whites, probably all Asians are compared to all whites including all the rural, poor whites in predominantly white places like West Virginia, rural parts of the South, etc.

    To be more accurate, then, one would have to take into account things like geography. If you compare mainly urban Asians to ALL whites (including the rural Southern whites, West Virginian whites, etc) then sure it might seem that Asians are wealthier. But if you "normalized" it, I suspect that Asians would significantly lag whites.
     
  4. tigermission1

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    Chance,

    I already pointed out that what he said about Whites was wrong, what is your contention with my reply to him?

    Racism is not exclusive to White people, there are racists in every walk of life.
     
  5. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    Well, my philosophy is that I'm not a racist as long as I hate each and every race (including my own) equally. Hooray for misanthropes!!! :D
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Inasmuch as the segragation is largely by the will of all the parties involved, this issue doesn't really anger me. I think it is sad that people feel like they need to live in communities where everyone is "like" them, but I fear that is modern human nature. In the minority of incidents that are actually based on housing discrimination, that is horrible, and people should be prosecuted. I don't think it is the end of the world if people choose to live in their own racial enclaves, it just shows that some are not enlightened enough to look beyond race.
     
  7. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    Minorities are driven to live among themselves in urban areas. If they don't group together, they would get no representation within their district.
     
  8. langal

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    I guess I've outed myself as a racist.

    Apparently - I'm not the only one. Here's a poll I found:

    http://www.adl.org/misc/american_attitudes_towards_chinese.asp

    There was another that I couldn't find from a few years back that said something like 70 percent of "Americans" had negative impressions of Asians.

    Things like this trouble me - and of course, make me regard whites with a degree of suspicion. 1 out 4 is a pretty big number. Makes me also wonder if the ratio is actually higher. Most people won't admit that they're racists - even if they are.

    Does it give me an excuse to be a racist? No. But I'm not a good person anyways. Yes I have plenty of white friends and ex-gf's, etc. When it's all said and done however - I do generally have a negative attitude about whites.
     
  9. wnes

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    Just an observation: the Republican Party has higher % of "whites" than the Democratic Party does.
     
  10. OddsOn

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    Race-ism is just a label. The true act of not liking someone, regardless of color, is a personal choice. To stereotype one particular race such as white, black, Chinese etc is shallow and short sighted. There is racism even within each race....for example look at the various factions of blacks in Africa who fight and kill each other over religion, beliefs etc. or look at the various Asian races who do the same....or heck look right here in the good ole' USA back in the civil war, most people want you to believe that it was about slavery but the undeniable truth is it was about states rights and more importantly a difference in cultural beliefs.

    I believe that racism is a tool used by those in power (regardless of their proclaimed political affiliation) to keep the masses divided through propaganda to maintain power. If we all actually got along then they would have to actually do something productive while in office instead of playing us against each other like fools.
     
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    Back when Chance used to post instead of making 4 jingle commercials a day.
     
  13. Dairy Ashford

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    Yes, but the funny thing is the rapid growth of our economy, infrastructure and social services over the last seventy years have made it completely bearable, and 100% surmountable at an individual level. Collectively, though, blacks of both genders are going to need to start getting college more degrees and marrying each other, pooling wealth and non-black professional networks, and getting into better neighborhoods with more competitive schools.
     
  14. Johndoe804

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    Obviously, we should just force communities to be diverse.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    That may not be a bad idea. Desegregation worked great in the South. Look at the way people's grandparents or great grandparents talked about minorities before desegregation, and how that's changed over the years since desegregation.

    Obviously there is still a ways to go, but desegregation changed a great deal about the way people get along and view each other.
     
  16. B-Bob

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    I always tell people out here in Cali that Houston is waaaaay less segregated than the communities here. San Francisco is *ridiculously* segregated.

    I've been to dinner parties with rich white liberals bashing the racist south, and I have to ask them to look around. "When's the last time you invited a black person to your home? Not to install cable or bring in your new ugly furniture from Room and Board. When I was growing up, it was pretty much daily, and vice versa. I didn't know it was special, but it's pretty much a never thing on the west coast."

    Wonder why I don't get invited back. Because, I mean... otherwise, I am so delightful and stuff.

    Despite all normative pressures for the following to not happen: I actually have made a couple of black friends in town. One moved to Atlanta because she said it's much more comfortable for her.
     
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    I think a lot of this is a genetration thing, my parents (who are in their forties and 50s) say that they still would feel uncomfrotable in a majorly black neighborhood.

    They say that my generation (the playstation generation OWS generation or whatever we're called) don't see race the same way, that we see it more as a physical trait like having green eyes, or a culture thing, like being Irish, than a real divisive barrier.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Hey a tigermisison1 sighting....DOH
     
  19. Supermac34

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    I always KNEW the most racist people were Asian.
     
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